France: female staff at Eiffel Tower removed for visit by Hindu religious group

Religious mysogynists wanting to climb up a giant phallic symbol without any women to distract them 🙄

Ridiculous that the Eiffel Tower management just waved this through, seemingly without a thought to the optics.

So when is the No Men Allowed Day at the Eiffel Tower?

What nonsense, anyway, because this is about a state that emphasises secularism and egalitarianism kowtowing to religion and misogyny.

Oh dear, why the vitriol about female spaces? You do understand why female people need them don’t you?

Technically speaking so is the gym but there are both women and men only gyms this is one day?

The Eiffel Tower has history for this sort of thing, I heard. When, during the Occupation, Hitler wanted to visit, an essential bit of kit from the lift went missing.

Completely crazy that women were removed from their workplace to satisfy the completely unnecessary demands of some male visitors.

Oh dear.

I know they look almost identical, and I can see how you might have got VERY confused with how difficult it is to comprehend, but the Eiffel Tower is not a public toilet. Or a single sex ward in a hospital. Or even a women’s prison. You could look at some picture of these different things to help you understand.

😂

Aubergines for aubergines.

So women get toilets and men get the Eiffel tower. Seems fair 😂

Coming to a town near you…..

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The Eiffel Tower is a public space.

(Toilets at the Eiffel Tower, OTOH, are not.)

Yes. This is where the people who tie themselves in knots to ‘be kind’ which generally affects many other people who don’t subscribe to their world view, but tough, must be thrown into a tailspin. What? There are competing rights and privileges? Whoever has heard of such a thing?

Anyway I’m not keen on respecting people’s cultures if it means compromising your own. If you don’t want to shake my hand because I’m a woman and unclean or offending you in some way, then stay out of my workplace, my home, my community. Because I believe in treating women equally and I’m not going to stay out of the meeting or be treated differently. And because it almost always seems to make the woman symbolically less: at the back, out of sight, not in the meeting when it’s the MEN who can’t control themselves or bear women having a place in society. Fuck that.

What's the problem? You got your women's only spaces now the men are getting there's? So only women are allowed private spaces?

Good to hear this has caused a stink in India. Always cheer internally when I see resistance to ingrained misogyny and religious control in countries where women are fighting for their rights.

Very interesting- thank you!

Very well put, 100% agree

I think we need to revisit the whole idea of exempting people from the law on religious grounds.

A ban from carrying knives in public is on grounds of public safety, that should apply to everyone.
If equality law says you can’t treat women as second class citizens, that needs to apply to everyone.
If animal cruelty laws say that you have to slaughter animals according to humane standards, then that needs to apply to all animals.

We have managed to apply our law on child marriage consistently regardless of religious demands and that is a great achievement, why not the others?

We have allowed our fundamental principles in society to be undermined and they will only be further undermined by determined groups who meet no resistance. I wonder if the Equality Act has facilitated this decline.

"As we would expect to abide by your rules when visiting your places of worship or where your customs hold, we expect you to observe our rules, laws and customs when visiting our public places. These entail treating all citizens, male and female, as equal members of society. If you cannot abide by this, then I am afraid you cannot be accommodated, as we will not exclude people who have a right to be included by our laws and customs."

Absobloodylutely @MarieDeGournay

It really proves, to me at least, that we live under the illusion of equal rights.

I do believe that could (and will) go at any time.

For them to do that, take a stand with that religious group of men, after sending their police to force a woman on a beach to fucking strip is beyond anything I can rationalize.

Yes I was going to ask this, I thought the French didnt have any truck with this stuff.

Yes, I can’t see any unions here supporting women (with the noble exceptions of the Free Speech Union and Darlington Nurses Union).

Sadly even members of our government like Stella Creasy, the so called feminist think that subjugating women on religious grounds (while using their free labour) is acceptable here.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5576111-french-strike-after-women-asked-to-leave-site-for-visiting-delegation?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

At least the staff union called a strike! Wouldn't get UK unions doing that.

Fine. That’s in their own space. You don’t have to go in there. But they have no business imposing that outside their private space.

Given that France also has genderwang, I wonder which enoloyees would have been barred: trans-IDing women or trans-IDing men? Whose belief would have mattered here, the Hindu men or the LARPers?

BAPS has strong ties with Narendra Modi, so they have got too big for their boots. Hindutva has addled their brains.
But what excuse do the Eiffel managers have?

Interesting.

At least catholic orders of monks and nuns who don't mix with the opposite sex stay in their own spaces - I remember when I was a little girl a neighbour's daughter joined an enclosed order of nuns, I think they could only communicate with men - or possibly with anybody who wasn't of the community - through a grille in a door.

They certainly didn't swan around town demanding that men stay 20 metres away from them as they went to Mass, or clothes shopping, or football matches, or tourist sites...

It's a bit self-centred, isn't it?