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Parkrun comments giving me the rage

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ChapmanFarm · 02/09/2026 22:49

If I have to read one more time 'but parkrun is just meant to be fun' or 'you are only racing against yourself and your best time' I'm going to scream.

Why does that only apply to women?

If it's just a bit of fun there is absolutely no need for trans identified men to get a time or position either. They have the option to register as another gender or to just run and not register at all.

If it's all just fun and we moaning women should shut up, why do these arguments only apply one way?

No one is saying they can't run in whatever clothing/identity they like. Just that they shouldn't be recorded as women.

But somehow this is still wrong.

I thought I'd peaked long ago but this one is giving me the absolute rage.

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Dadalus · 18/09/2026 18:38

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:31

I don't know Bushy Park, so I have no idea. Mine begins and ends on an athletics track - so there's plenty of opportunity to organise runs. Unless you think your local park is representative? But again - this supposes that a GC only run would be more popular - and all the evidence suggests that it would not be.

This is a silly argument, the barrier to starting a rival to parkrun is not that people dont want proper sex categories, it's that parkrun is a well established, household name, has a community and infrastructure set up and, receives millions in public money.

A MN reader can no more create an event that beats parkrun, than they can launch a car company that overtakes BMW by being the same but with the cup holder in a better place. But that doesn't mean the cup holder couldn't be in a better place.

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:39

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:25

Lots of 'it's too hard for me to set up my own event so instead I'll try to force an exclusionary policy on an unwilling organisation'. What it doesn't say is that the reality is that exclusionary groups with no need to exist just aren't as popular as inclusive groups. See the recent hiking thread - one hugely popular inclusive hiking group and one barely-attended, dwindling single sex hike. People aren't going to abandon their usual Saturday morning schedule unless they care a great deal about what the alternative is offering.

I wonder if you've considered that attitudes like yours are the reason we have equality legislation in the first place.

"We don't employ blacks; if it's so bloody important to you, set up your own company."

"Irish people are welcome to set up their own hotels, if not being allowed in mine bothers them so much."

It's so difficult for you to set up your own business to employ black people that you're trying to force unwilling employers to take them on them instead! Imagine!

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:42

Dadalus · 18/09/2026 18:38

This is a silly argument, the barrier to starting a rival to parkrun is not that people dont want proper sex categories, it's that parkrun is a well established, household name, has a community and infrastructure set up and, receives millions in public money.

A MN reader can no more create an event that beats parkrun, than they can launch a car company that overtakes BMW by being the same but with the cup holder in a better place. But that doesn't mean the cup holder couldn't be in a better place.

They're not expected to 'beat Parkrun' they want to change Parkrun and Parkrun isn't interested in changing for them. So they can either keep trying to destroy it - or start their own. The fact they are choosing the former makes them look batshit.

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:43

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:39

I wonder if you've considered that attitudes like yours are the reason we have equality legislation in the first place.

"We don't employ blacks; if it's so bloody important to you, set up your own company."

"Irish people are welcome to set up their own hotels, if not being allowed in mine bothers them so much."

It's so difficult for you to set up your own business to employ black people that you're trying to force unwilling employers to take them on them instead! Imagine!

Edited

To force exclusivity rather than inclusivity? Try again.

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:43

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:42

They're not expected to 'beat Parkrun' they want to change Parkrun and Parkrun isn't interested in changing for them. So they can either keep trying to destroy it - or start their own. The fact they are choosing the former makes them look batshit.

It's gone from something nobody cares about to an issue that will "destroy" Parkrun.

Which is it?

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:44

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:43

To force exclusivity rather than inclusivity? Try again.

No, to prevent discrimination against women. You try again.

PollyNomial · 18/09/2026 18:44

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:39

I wonder if you've considered that attitudes like yours are the reason we have equality legislation in the first place.

"We don't employ blacks; if it's so bloody important to you, set up your own company."

"Irish people are welcome to set up their own hotels, if not being allowed in mine bothers them so much."

It's so difficult for you to set up your own business to employ black people that you're trying to force unwilling employers to take them on them instead! Imagine!

Edited

Who is excluded? Women can turn up, as they have always been able to and, as far as I can tell, always will be able to.

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:46

PollyNomial · 18/09/2026 18:44

Who is excluded? Women can turn up, as they have always been able to and, as far as I can tell, always will be able to.

And yet the women's category includes men, so women are denied the opportunity of their own records and placements.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 18/09/2026 18:48

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:34

The discrimination being what? They don't get an imaginary accolade? Again - it's a community initiative to encourage everyone to become more active. But you keep going - you don't at all sound deranged over it.

As has been explained multiple times, they provide comparative information to men that they don't provide to women.

They don't get an imaginary accolade? Again - it's a community initiative to encourage everyone to become more active

Again, you seem more familiar with MRA talking points than the history of parkrun. The company was initially called 'UK Time Trials'. If parkrun believe that the sharing of results is exclusionary, there is no reason for them to continue to share results.

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:50

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:43

It's gone from something nobody cares about to an issue that will "destroy" Parkrun.

Which is it?

A rat can try to destroy the Statue of Liberty - it won't work but it doesn't mean it's not trying.

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:53

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:46

And yet the women's category includes men, so women are denied the opportunity of their own records and placements.

And conversely, the men's includes women. It is not a race. There are no prizes, no accolades. You turn up, you run, you get your time and you try and beat it the next time. That is it. If you want to race - go and enter a race. Parkrun is a community initiative to get more people running. They do that with an inclusive policy. Cope and seeth as one person said to me yesterday, cope and seeth.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 18/09/2026 18:54

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:43

It's gone from something nobody cares about to an issue that will "destroy" Parkrun.

Which is it?

Come on Sheep! Get with the programme! It's a community based FUN run that will be DESTROYED if men can't rank their time agains other men! (But not women because it would be unladylike if they cared).

iwishitwouldstartraining · 18/09/2026 18:55

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:53

And conversely, the men's includes women. It is not a race. There are no prizes, no accolades. You turn up, you run, you get your time and you try and beat it the next time. That is it. If you want to race - go and enter a race. Parkrun is a community initiative to get more people running. They do that with an inclusive policy. Cope and seeth as one person said to me yesterday, cope and seeth.

It is not a race.

So why rank results? (Again are you sure you have done one of these?)

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:56

iwishitwouldstartraining · 18/09/2026 18:55

It is not a race.

So why rank results? (Again are you sure you have done one of these?)

Well, this.

As soon as you provide rankings, it's a race.

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:57

iwishitwouldstartraining · 18/09/2026 18:55

It is not a race.

So why rank results? (Again are you sure you have done one of these?)

Because they want to. What is the prize for winning? Is it cash? Is it a medal? Is there a ceremony? What exactly are you losing out on if you don't win? Almost everyone who takes part (who isn't deranged) turns up, runs, has a lovely time and then goes on with their day. You should try it. Might help you live a happier life.

PollyNomial · 18/09/2026 18:57

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 18:46

And yet the women's category includes men, so women are denied the opportunity of their own records and placements.

Records for a fun run? They're appropriate for competitions. Might as well start chronicling the egg and spoon race if we're going to do fun runs...

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:59

PollyNomial · 18/09/2026 18:57

Records for a fun run? They're appropriate for competitions. Might as well start chronicling the egg and spoon race if we're going to do fun runs...

It's honestly mad. When people have become so deranged by their hatred of trans people that they resort to trying to destroy something as wholesome and good as Parkrun - you know they're too far gone. It's so bizarre.

Fizbosshoes · 18/09/2026 19:00

Its taken more than 5 years to set up a parkrun in our local park, so yes it is pretty difficult

...way, way more difficult than simply ticking your correct sex when you set up a parkrun profile and running in that category and coming 25th man instead of first female 🙄

iwishitwouldstartraining · 18/09/2026 19:00

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:57

Because they want to. What is the prize for winning? Is it cash? Is it a medal? Is there a ceremony? What exactly are you losing out on if you don't win? Almost everyone who takes part (who isn't deranged) turns up, runs, has a lovely time and then goes on with their day. You should try it. Might help you live a happier life.

Because they want to.

Because participants clearly value the information.

Do you not think they could save a lot of time and money if nobody cared?

You should try it. Or maybe you should?

Again I'm not convinced that you know what you are talking about. Your knowledge seems very sketchy.

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 19:01

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:50

A rat can try to destroy the Statue of Liberty - it won't work but it doesn't mean it's not trying.

You can only characterize women wanting an honest women's category as "trying to destroy" Parkrun - and you do - if you think that having an honest women's category would destroy Parkrun.

Pretending men are women is at the same time both a trivial issue and a matter core to the existence of Parkrun.

Just another day in topsy-turvy self-contradictory trans-land, where up is down, black is white and men are women.

PollyNomial · 18/09/2026 19:03

Fizbosshoes · 18/09/2026 19:00

Its taken more than 5 years to set up a parkrun in our local park, so yes it is pretty difficult

...way, way more difficult than simply ticking your correct sex when you set up a parkrun profile and running in that category and coming 25th man instead of first female 🙄

For all I think she is a grifter since quitting swimming, at least Riley Gaines complaint about trans being in a competition with her had merit. A fun run though...

Dadalus · 18/09/2026 19:03

alcovecupboards · 18/09/2026 18:42

They're not expected to 'beat Parkrun' they want to change Parkrun and Parkrun isn't interested in changing for them. So they can either keep trying to destroy it - or start their own. The fact they are choosing the former makes them look batshit.

They will keep trying to change it, and whether they succeed or not, parkrun won't be "destroyed" by their efforts, nor will it stop being inclusive.

MyAmpleSheep · 18/09/2026 19:03

A fun run

So disingenuous.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 18/09/2026 19:04

PollyNomial · 18/09/2026 19:03

For all I think she is a grifter since quitting swimming, at least Riley Gaines complaint about trans being in a competition with her had merit. A fun run though...

Calling it a 'fun run' just demonstrates that you haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

Fizbosshoes · 18/09/2026 19:04

For all the people insisting it doesnt matter, its just a fun-run, and insinuating women are making a fuss over a miniscule problem....why bother even separating the sexes in parkrun - or any sport at all come to that, if its of no consequence....?