French Campaigner Dora Moutot - court case over comments on sex and gender rights

To be referred to as a transwoman you have to be male...by definition.

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Evolutionary psychologists & biological science disagree.

Hormones & genes create behavioural patterns that are socially associated to sex which likely to be evolutionarily influenced.

It is the ideology itself which is framing resistance as 'hate'. That trans ideology has such ideological hegemony and can even fine people and send them to prison for stating biological reality, and for defending the integrity and dignity of female people is dystopian.

Who would have beleived that this could happen in the 21st century in countries which proclaim themselves to be supportive of women and girls?

'Disagreement' becomes a problem when it incites hate. Just ask Jews, Blacks, Muslims, women, homosexuals etc etc

Social associations are culturally determined...but what makes someone male or female is hardwired in, is measurable, and universal. Even if someone does not conform to certain social associations it does not change their fundamental sex.

Men who identify as women are still male...and most are as driven by typical male desires as any other male person. In fact, some are even more extreme. Paraphilia is far more common in males than in females - regardless of their social 'identity'.

I view any trans ideology which imposes males into female spaces; prioritising their self evaluation over the reality of a woman's immutable sex - as profoundly hateful and disregarding. How did we get here, and how on earth can it be seen as progressive?

Oh, I see the bigoted loons are already out this morning. How tedious.

No, you are just scientifically illiterate. "Science" doesn't disagree at all.

"Gender identity" is meaningless concept to anyone but sexists. It's not a measurable phenomena. It is entirely a product of a currently fashionable slavish adherence to backwards sex stereotypes. By a small number of deluded people who imagine it makes them something they're not. And deeply misogynistic societies like France, clearly, which always put male desires over female needs.

Biological sex, however, is a measurable reality. one which materially affects the lives and experiences of those of both sexes. It isn't an "identity" and doesn't rely on lazy stereotypes - you're a woman or man based on your biology, not your adherence or not to a set of sexist pink n blue stereotypes or nonsense about "femininine identities". It's not a personality. it's not likes, dislikes hairstyle or outfits. It's a reality. It's politically and socially salient and meaningful in measurable ways.

You prefer the misogyny and punishing women for acknowledging reality. Like the French courts. You are not a progressive. Just another tedious sexist, who I assume is going to be spending the day spamming this thread with your bullshit.

No one is suggesting gender identity has more significance than sex. You appear to be confusing basic social etiquette regarding social conventions with belief statements.

Anti woman feeling is the most enduring hatred there is, the world over. Women and girls are demoted to second class citizens and their integrity is violated; their needs and sensitivities ignored or suppressed.

The context of the Judges take is the denial of gender identity.

You could offer the same defense for the Nazis 'resistance'.

What you are calling 'social etiquette' becomes a monster of authoritarianism when it demands the natives kow tow to its prescriptions. I will not be compelled by 'social etqiuette' to refer to a man as a woman. I am a woman. I have dignity and integrity in that, and that is not up for negotiation.

People can think of themselves how they like, but they cannot compel people to go along with their own personal fantasy or belief system, especially when it infringes on the dignity and integrity of other people. We have religious freedom in the U.K, but do not have the right to compel others to adhere to or private articles of faith or doctrines.

Ridiculous analogy and not even well thought out. When unsure...just reach for the Nazi analogies. What do you think the Nazis were resisting? Or perhaps are you comparing women to Nazis - for standing up for their dignity and their established protections?

Now that’s a big leap away from the thread topic but everyone can see what you’re trying to do.

BTW I disagree with what you’re saying here but I’m not “inciting hatred” against you.

How did France get itself in such a mess?

All human 'labelling' is a social construct including sex. It's simply a categorising phenomena via words.

Stating a fact that people with penises are male people is not hatred.

C’est le patriarcat
(answer to Shortshrift)

You are confusing balancing of rights with prioritising.

Ooh, invocation of Nazis already and it's only just gone nine. Pathetic stuff.

"Gender identity" is regressive sex stereotypes. Nothing more meaningful or worthwhile than that. Biological sex is reality, regardless of adherence or not to sex stereotypes. Denying "gender identity" is standing in opposition to rank sexism. Claiming that "gender identity" holds any relevance whatsoever is misogyny.

The judgement is misogynistic. But as we were saying, France as a society always has been. Men's wants come first, and this appalling judgement is no exception.

Nobody is confusing anything. Perhaps it is you who are "confused?"

You are confusing gender & sex.

Also discrimination can rise to the level of harassment so while you are entitled to your beliefs you aren't entitled to deny others theirs by denying their right to their own identity which deliberate misgendering qualifies as.

What right is it that biological males have to give them access to the single sex spaces of biological females? Biological males have the right to their own single sex spaces.

If transwomen are women then why have none of them given birth?