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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transitioned male cricket player from India cleared to play elite women’s cricket in Australia

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legalalien · 27/08/2026 23:07

More Australian madness. Australia looks to become a destination of choice for men who want to make a career in women’s sport.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/incredibly-emotional-anaya-bangar-gets-cricket-australia-nod-for-elite-womens-cricket-eyes-wbbl/articleshow/133518179.cms

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Cattywillow · 27/08/2026 23:22

Transitioned? To what?

legalalien · 27/08/2026 23:43

In the sense of having recently had surgery described as a skin graft vaginoplasty in Thailand - and probably some associated stuff. I wanted to convey the idea that he’d done a bit more than just self declare himself a woman but couldn’t fit the detail in the heading (and language is such a minefield these days).

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MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/08/2026 23:52

legalalien · 27/08/2026 23:43

In the sense of having recently had surgery described as a skin graft vaginoplasty in Thailand - and probably some associated stuff. I wanted to convey the idea that he’d done a bit more than just self declare himself a woman but couldn’t fit the detail in the heading (and language is such a minefield these days).

Sport maybe more than any other area of human endeavour pivots upon small differences and minor advantages, and thus requires scrupulous fairness, no more so than in physiology. You can be banned for the most minute drug enhanced advantage.
And yet in the area of trans, a whole puberty's worth of testosterone enhancement is just waved on by.
Because a sob story and an effort to be feminine is classed as exempt from all of this.
And <still> no-one I Australian society will say anything.
The madness of crowds.

murasaki · 27/08/2026 23:58

I can't imagine a contract will be forthcoming though.

legalalien · Yesterday 00:03

What seems mad is that as I understand it the player can play club cricket no problem and the potential disparity issues are left to the poor old umpires to resolve under general laws of cricket - who in their right mind would risk subjecting themself to the grief that would doubtless result from raising such an issue?. It’s only if the player plays at the higher level that more detailed testing and the testosterone is relevant. Fortunately this isn’t a pace bowler. (As an aside, note that Cricket Australia’s policy encourages all involved in the game to use “correct” pronouns) which is an interesting choice of adjective.

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legalalien · Yesterday 00:10

murasaki · 27/08/2026 23:58

I can't imagine a contract will be forthcoming though.

That was my initial reaction but this is a former Mumbai u19 so will be able to bat well- cricket is a very statistical game, if they’re scoring loads of runs in the club games I can see the temptation, and as they are the child of a former India player I can see potential viewing figures being high, so $$$ a factor… (I am testing out the theory that adjusting to gender neutral language imposes an additional cognitive burden as discussed in the recent SEEN tribunal thingie. I think it does.). I wonder if you could bring a case for discrimination for not being offered a contract if you were clearly performing much much better than others in the potential selection pool? Not quite sure of the scope of the Australian SDA.

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Switcher · Yesterday 00:13

Yeah it's weird. They all seem like sheep.

legalalien · Yesterday 00:59

I don’t think I can edit my post but just wanted to add that although I saw “Mumbai u19” in an article i think it’s actually Mumbai u16 and Puducherry u19 and they represented Puducherry in the Coach Behar Trophy: scoring 300 runs in 5 matches (including a 149), and taking a fair few wickets. So no slouch.

I’ve just had a very interesting discussion with Claude about some of the issues to do retained advantage. Not sure that there’s a rule about pasting AI generated text here but I thought this paragraph summed up one of the cricket specific issues quite well:

“Skill and technique developed against a harder training environment doesn’t reset just because strength does. It’s also a much harder thing for any policy to test for or account for, since there’s no bloodwork equivalent — it’s essentially an argument that the advantage isn’t just physiological, it’s biographical (who you happened to train against), which policies built around testosterone thresholds have no mechanism to address at all.”

I would be interested to see whether there are any studies around this training environment point - am guessing not as the issue is quite new? - muscle memory and reaction times are pretty key for a batter (maybe you could argue there’ll need to be an adjustment to women’s bowling - but then again the fastest of the female bowlers will still feel slow?)

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Gretel346 · Yesterday 02:05

legalalien · 27/08/2026 23:07

More Australian madness. Australia looks to become a destination of choice for men who want to make a career in women’s sport.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/incredibly-emotional-anaya-bangar-gets-cricket-australia-nod-for-elite-womens-cricket-eyes-wbbl/articleshow/133518179.cms

Uh oh, looks like the colonial 'rabble' are going 'native' with egalitarian clap trap again. Maybe time for their 'civilised' Victorian British overlords remind them of their place…

Manyanamanyana · Yesterday 03:11

We have a great feild of girls and women's cricket in Australia, why we have to import Indian men to take professional places away from them is absolutely beyond me. I will be writing to Cricket Australia for what it's worth. This is infuriating.

ThisFunSheep · Yesterday 04:07

Cricket is a multi-dimensional sport where male puberty and underlying sex can provide advantages in speed, power, height, reach, muscle mass, strength, bone structure and aerobic capacity.

What applies to athletics doesn't magically stop applying to cricket.

I genuinely don't understand the argument that transitioning automatically gives someone a right to compete in women's elite sport. Do people actually believe you can change sex, or change all the physical attributes associated with sex?

Maybe it's the endless “trans women are women” mantra, but I genuinely don't understand how we've got to the point where this happens.

legalalien · Yesterday 04:35

Gretel346 · Yesterday 02:05

Uh oh, looks like the colonial 'rabble' are going 'native' with egalitarian clap trap again. Maybe time for their 'civilised' Victorian British overlords remind them of their place…

What? Where does Britain come into it? The reason Cricket Australia make the distinction between elite sport and grassroots sport at all is more likely to be because of the approach of the largely Indian-influenced position on the international game I would have thought? Interesting that the BCCI seem to have basically opted out of making any decision.

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Catcentral · Yesterday 04:58

Gretel346 · Yesterday 02:05

Uh oh, looks like the colonial 'rabble' are going 'native' with egalitarian clap trap again. Maybe time for their 'civilised' Victorian British overlords remind them of their place…

Oh yes, the horror of being egalitarian 🙄

Gretel346 · Yesterday 05:14

legalalien · Yesterday 04:35

What? Where does Britain come into it? The reason Cricket Australia make the distinction between elite sport and grassroots sport at all is more likely to be because of the approach of the largely Indian-influenced position on the international game I would have thought? Interesting that the BCCI seem to have basically opted out of making any decision.

Where Britain comes into it is their imperialist busy bodying & meddling into other countries cultural values. In other words this whole made up trans panic legal & logistical dogs breakfast is of their doing that they are now attempting to foist onto others to self validate.

Oh & grass roots exemptions don't just apply to cricket so you can save your bowing to master hierarchical dip shittery for your own kind.

Catcentral · Yesterday 05:33

Gretel346 · Yesterday 05:14

Where Britain comes into it is their imperialist busy bodying & meddling into other countries cultural values. In other words this whole made up trans panic legal & logistical dogs breakfast is of their doing that they are now attempting to foist onto others to self validate.

Oh & grass roots exemptions don't just apply to cricket so you can save your bowing to master hierarchical dip shittery for your own kind.

Well said

legalalien · Yesterday 05:33

Gretel346 · Yesterday 05:14

Where Britain comes into it is their imperialist busy bodying & meddling into other countries cultural values. In other words this whole made up trans panic legal & logistical dogs breakfast is of their doing that they are now attempting to foist onto others to self validate.

Oh & grass roots exemptions don't just apply to cricket so you can save your bowing to master hierarchical dip shittery for your own kind.

I find the last bit a bit incomprehensible (my point being that the additional tests made applicable to elite sport are likely to take into account the approaches of international bodies, but, ermm - OK. I agree it’s a legal and logistical dog’s breakfast if that helps.

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NotBadConsidering · Yesterday 05:34

In other words, Gretel/Northern/Howse doesn’t like it that uppity Terf Island is inspiring the rest of the world to also protect women’s rights.

Gretel346 · Yesterday 05:42

Nevertheless, you implied that Australia must have cow tailed to a more powerful country when in fact other sporting bodies in Australia have made the same distinction.

Helleofabore · Yesterday 05:49

I suspect that as each international sporting federation’s policies become more enforced, and Australian female athletes and women’s rights campaigners gain momentum discussing this in the media and the Brisbane Olympics approaches the Australian sports bodies will start to change their policies.

Of course there is male advantage in female cricket. It is just as obvious as in most other ball sports. There is a reason for lighter equipment and shorter boundaries.

Helleofabore · Yesterday 06:02

legalalien · Yesterday 00:59

I don’t think I can edit my post but just wanted to add that although I saw “Mumbai u19” in an article i think it’s actually Mumbai u16 and Puducherry u19 and they represented Puducherry in the Coach Behar Trophy: scoring 300 runs in 5 matches (including a 149), and taking a fair few wickets. So no slouch.

I’ve just had a very interesting discussion with Claude about some of the issues to do retained advantage. Not sure that there’s a rule about pasting AI generated text here but I thought this paragraph summed up one of the cricket specific issues quite well:

“Skill and technique developed against a harder training environment doesn’t reset just because strength does. It’s also a much harder thing for any policy to test for or account for, since there’s no bloodwork equivalent — it’s essentially an argument that the advantage isn’t just physiological, it’s biographical (who you happened to train against), which policies built around testosterone thresholds have no mechanism to address at all.”

I would be interested to see whether there are any studies around this training environment point - am guessing not as the issue is quite new? - muscle memory and reaction times are pretty key for a batter (maybe you could argue there’ll need to be an adjustment to women’s bowling - but then again the fastest of the female bowlers will still feel slow?)

Studies about change in performance after testosterone suppression are not going to be reliable as we have seen from the few attempts.

The issues are numerous. Starting from how do you test the intregrity of ‘peak’ performance to remove any biased low result to prove the hypothesis? Even the USAF study showed that the male people being studied performed to the lower female performance boundary because they didn’t need to be assessed at the higher performance rate.

Then, I believe it was Harper or an expert commenting on Harper’s studies, who pointed out there was an issue with male people working to attain a ‘female’ body shape and therefore would not be wanting to train in a way that gained and maintained peak male musculator. This then brings the point to the fore that gaining access to female sport and any performance awards there are a reward for self-limited performance, which is contradictory to fair competition.

Gretel346 · Yesterday 06:05

NotBadConsidering · Yesterday 05:34

In other words, Gretel/Northern/Howse doesn’t like it that uppity Terf Island is inspiring the rest of the world to also protect women’s rights.

Um, its the OP who's lamenting Australia's lack of 'inspiration' from British 'supremacy'.

Try & keep up.

6ate9 · Yesterday 07:18

Catcentral · Yesterday 04:58

Oh yes, the horror of being egalitarian 🙄

Men and women are NOT equal biologically. They differ in physical characteristics like average muscle mass, upper body strength, and bone structure. MEN have distinct physical advantages in sports.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · Yesterday 07:31

Gretel346 · Yesterday 02:05

Uh oh, looks like the colonial 'rabble' are going 'native' with egalitarian clap trap again. Maybe time for their 'civilised' Victorian British overlords remind them of their place…

Oh, I wondered when your braindead "Gender Critical is a colonialist imperialist movement" inanities would make a re-appearance.
All those Indian cricket players who were trans in the days of the Raj, and those beastly English colonial overlords, supremacists who didn't let them express their being female.
And today we see their attitudes in the likes of those opposing this player.

PollyNomial · Yesterday 07:36

legalalien · Yesterday 00:59

I don’t think I can edit my post but just wanted to add that although I saw “Mumbai u19” in an article i think it’s actually Mumbai u16 and Puducherry u19 and they represented Puducherry in the Coach Behar Trophy: scoring 300 runs in 5 matches (including a 149), and taking a fair few wickets. So no slouch.

I’ve just had a very interesting discussion with Claude about some of the issues to do retained advantage. Not sure that there’s a rule about pasting AI generated text here but I thought this paragraph summed up one of the cricket specific issues quite well:

“Skill and technique developed against a harder training environment doesn’t reset just because strength does. It’s also a much harder thing for any policy to test for or account for, since there’s no bloodwork equivalent — it’s essentially an argument that the advantage isn’t just physiological, it’s biographical (who you happened to train against), which policies built around testosterone thresholds have no mechanism to address at all.”

I would be interested to see whether there are any studies around this training environment point - am guessing not as the issue is quite new? - muscle memory and reaction times are pretty key for a batter (maybe you could argue there’ll need to be an adjustment to women’s bowling - but then again the fastest of the female bowlers will still feel slow?)

Current AIs do not "discuss" anything, they create responses to your prompts based on patterns of language used in huge amounts of data. This is why they can return plausible fictional statements and cannot be relied upon without independent verification.

legalalien · Yesterday 07:53

Gretel346 · Yesterday 06:05

Um, its the OP who's lamenting Australia's lack of 'inspiration' from British 'supremacy'.

Try & keep up.

Stop person-splaining. I'm just trying to make it make sense. The relevant statute in Britain is different, so the issue is one of substance rather than anything to do with the UK - I acknowledge that I've commented on another thread that attitudes in the UK are changing in a way that hasn't happened in Australia yet.

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