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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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DialSquare · 27/08/2026 07:19

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6ate9 · 27/08/2026 07:16

@Northernlightsss “JKR's immoral position”

She has stated facts which are true.

Biological sex is real and unchangeable.

Maintaining distinctions based on biological sex is necessary to protect women's single sex spaces, safety, and rights.

She has maintained that acknowledging biological sex does not constitute prejudice against transgender individuals.

Where is her immorality?

Nellodee · 27/08/2026 07:11

Rowling states that she may have wanted to transition at some point had the option been available. The article states that this show she feels that the desire to transition is transient and a choice.

This is a logical some/all fallacy. Rowling stating that she may have had a transient desire to transition is not the same ad her saying all desire to transition is transient.

The negation of her statement, if she were completely wrong would be “No desire to transition us transient”. Since detransitioners exist, this negation is clearly incorrect. If the negation is incorrect, then Rowlings position, that it can be transient, is valid and truthful.

Indeed, Rowling has stated that she believes gender dysphoric is real and in some adults can be relieved by surgery on a number of occasions.

Sadly, logic isn’t really something that is valued by those who wish to hate her.

SabrinaThwaite · 27/08/2026 07:08

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 07:04

So… you have nothing.

As expected.

Ah well, I guess deliberately missing the point is your specialist subject.

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BackToLurk · 27/08/2026 07:06

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I’m putting off getting up and doing a workout, and the dog has his head on me and I feel mean disturbing him.

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 07:05

Myalternate · 27/08/2026 07:03

There’s no point. You’re just so dogmatic.

Do it for everyone else then.

You can't can you?

Nihongo · 27/08/2026 07:04

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BackToLurk · 27/08/2026 07:04

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 07:00

Please explain why the quotes are out of context then?

You can't can you? That's why you aren't.

This has all been done. Could you explain why you’ll understand this time?

Something better than “see, you can’t” or “your mum” or whatever sparkling riposte you have lined up would be delightful.

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 07:04

SabrinaThwaite · 27/08/2026 07:03

Kicking that article off by declaring that JKR using the word ‘woman’ to describe a female person is transphobic tells you all you need to know about the author will interpret anything JKR says or does.

So… you have nothing.

As expected.

Myalternate · 27/08/2026 07:03

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 07:00

Please explain why the quotes are out of context then?

You can't can you? That's why you aren't.

There’s no point. You’re just so dogmatic.

SabrinaThwaite · 27/08/2026 07:03

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:52

Care to dispute why its wrong? Can't can you? Is that why you are dismissing it?

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Kicking that article off by declaring that JKR using the word ‘woman’ to describe a female person is transphobic tells you all you need to know about the author will interpret anything JKR says or does.

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2021x · 27/08/2026 07:01

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:58

'Statistically' women & men engage in certain typical behaviours to their sex.

See where this is going 'stereotypically' speaking?

Can't have it both ways.

Women live in a world where they have 1/2 the upper-body strength of any male over the age of 18. Women cannot defend themselves from an attack from a 14 year old boy.

This is not something that transwomen have ever experienced. So any behaviours that are considered stereotypical male/female behaviour are related to the person's body, not how they perceive themselves.

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 07:00

BackToLurk · 27/08/2026 06:56

Edited (without acknowledgment) and taken out of context, but you know that.

Please explain why the quotes are out of context then?

You can't can you? That's why you aren't.

BackToLurk · 27/08/2026 06:58

napody · 27/08/2026 06:57

Oh God, is it going to be 40 pages that doesn't go anywhere? Have things to do Northernlights so please put your very best argument forward first, ta.

I’m afraid I have to inform you that this is their best argument.

napody · 27/08/2026 06:58

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:56

Yes & no. Depends on the disadvantage in the particular situation & the prevailing cultural expectations. That's why assessing proportionality/ balancing rights matters according to the particular circumstances matters.

So, no. Thanks. Really all I need to know.

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:58

LovelyLass5 · 27/08/2026 06:54

But statistically trans women have the same higher level of violence/crime/sexual offending as men … and statistically women are on the receiving end of more male violence in mixed sex spaces …. Which means single sex spaces are essential for keeping females safe.

If trans women are at more risk in single sex male places (which I suspect they might be), then the answer is to have a dedicated third space.

'Statistically' women & men engage in certain typical behaviours to their sex.

See where this is going 'stereotypically' speaking?

Can't have it both ways.

napody · 27/08/2026 06:57

BackToLurk · 27/08/2026 06:55

Is this you failing to understand the difference between ‘violent and sexual criminals are typically male’ and ‘males are typically violent, sexual criminals’ again? Because I’m not sure any of us are ready for another 40 pages of that, and cherrypicked quotes, yet.

Oh God, is it going to be 40 pages that doesn't go anywhere? Have things to do Northernlights so please put your very best argument forward first, ta.

BackToLurk · 27/08/2026 06:56

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Edited (without acknowledgment) and taken out of context, but you know that.

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:56

napody · 27/08/2026 06:51

Do you think women should have any spaces, sports or services separate from men? Why (or why not)?

Yes & no. Depends on the disadvantage in the particular situation & the prevailing cultural expectations. That's why assessing proportionality/ balancing rights matters according to the particular circumstances matters.

BunnyBunbunbun · 27/08/2026 06:55

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:50

Many women engage in typical behaviours that distinguish women as a group from men. Some may see these as stereotypes. See where this is going?

Can't have it both ways.

Can you describe what rape is and which sex is the perpetrator and which sex the overwhelming victim?

Here's one fact that has nothing to do with generalised behaviour or stereotypes and is based solely on objective reality: transwomen are men.

2021x · 27/08/2026 06:55

I don't care that he disagrees with JKR

I care that he didn't call out the trans-community for going after her.

BackToLurk · 27/08/2026 06:55

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:50

Many women engage in typical behaviours that distinguish women as a group from men. Some may see these as stereotypes. See where this is going?

Can't have it both ways.

Is this you failing to understand the difference between ‘violent and sexual criminals are typically male’ and ‘males are typically violent, sexual criminals’ again? Because I’m not sure any of us are ready for another 40 pages of that, and cherrypicked quotes, yet.

napody · 27/08/2026 06:55

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As above- give a quote and show how it supports the claim. Just 'having quotes' does not a logical argument make.

napody · 27/08/2026 06:54

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:52

Care to dispute why its wrong? Can't can you? Is that why you are dismissing it?

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If you give a list of direct JKR quotes and explain why they're transphobic there'll be something to challenge.
Just because the article contains quotes doesn't mean it uses quotes to illustrate its claims. If you read it it generally quotes JKR dismissively, in a 'she says this but we know she means that' way.

LovelyLass5 · 27/08/2026 06:54

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 05:36

The bigotry is more regarding the implication of harmful stereotypes against trans people as either transitory 'tom boys' or dangerous predators.

Its indeed interesting that those who purport to be against harmful stereotypes, certainly don't mind applying them when convenient.

"In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.”

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”

Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives.

In her attempt to defend herself against the TERF label, Rowling just ended up providing more solid evidence that she is one. She works hard to disguise her views as feminism and genuine concern for the wellbeing of all women, but relies heavily on a number unsubstantiated opinions about trans people that the community has been fighting against for years. Rowling sees herself as highly educated on transgender issues but she still fails to see how her views—and her insistence on using her huge platform to promote them—are hurting transgender people."

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

But statistically trans women have the same higher level of violence/crime/sexual offending as men … and statistically women are on the receiving end of more male violence in mixed sex spaces …. Which means single sex spaces are essential for keeping females safe.

If trans women are at more risk in single sex male places (which I suspect they might be), then the answer is to have a dedicated third space.