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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 26/08/2026 20:55

The meltdown has started 😂😂😂

SabrinaThwaite · 26/08/2026 21:06

It has indeed. Brilliant.

Rupert Grint joins Harry Potter cast on Broadway
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faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 26/08/2026 22:24

Don't you just sort of love it when this happens 😂

Lemonorzo · 26/08/2026 22:59

At some point it has to occur to people that actors etc will say things because they feel compelled to, not because they believe it.
It’s clear that JK isn’t getting cancelled and HP is not going away so they feel safe to backtrack.

GrimDamnFanjo · 26/08/2026 23:48

I’m assuming JKR had final approval?

MrsPMole · 27/08/2026 00:01

Not sure if JKR has any say in who is cast in TCC but with reference to the HBO casting she said had no veto but even if she did there is no way she would exercise it against someone who had legally held views that differed from her own.

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 01:21

SabrinaThwaite · 26/08/2026 20:51

Well, well, well. Has Grint decided that JKR isn’t a monster after all?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vmp1v3rdo

Penis News is a bit disappointed in him.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2026/08/26/harry-potter-cursed-child-rupert-grint-ron-weasley/

I don't think agreeing to still be associated with an idea is in any way a concession to the creator's moral or political stance or helps perpetuate it. John Lithgow made this point recently that the work still maintains its value regardless & that's why he agreed to still be part of HP.

Just like the US constitution still maintains its moral relevance despite being written by slave owners, JKR's immoral position shouldn't matter particularly because the ideas in HP are contra to it that effectively inculcate generations of people against JKR's personal bigotry which only has a finite existence.

ElenOfTheWays · 27/08/2026 02:11

Maybe he's grown up a bit or maybe he's discovered that his acting career pretty much begins and ends with Harry Potter.

LovelyLass5 · 27/08/2026 03:04

He's become a father in the last couple of years. Having two young daughters must surely raise awareness of women's and girls issues.

SabrinaThwaite · 27/08/2026 05:24

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 01:21

I don't think agreeing to still be associated with an idea is in any way a concession to the creator's moral or political stance or helps perpetuate it. John Lithgow made this point recently that the work still maintains its value regardless & that's why he agreed to still be part of HP.

Just like the US constitution still maintains its moral relevance despite being written by slave owners, JKR's immoral position shouldn't matter particularly because the ideas in HP are contra to it that effectively inculcate generations of people against JKR's personal bigotry which only has a finite existence.

Edited

That’s quite the word salad.

Interesting idea that recognising that biological sex is real and is sometimes more important than gender identity, especially when it comes to the safety and dignity of women and girls, is ‘immoral’ or ‘bigotry’

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Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 05:36

SabrinaThwaite · 27/08/2026 05:24

That’s quite the word salad.

Interesting idea that recognising that biological sex is real and is sometimes more important than gender identity, especially when it comes to the safety and dignity of women and girls, is ‘immoral’ or ‘bigotry’

The bigotry is more regarding the implication of harmful stereotypes against trans people as either transitory 'tom boys' or dangerous predators.

Its indeed interesting that those who purport to be against harmful stereotypes, certainly don't mind applying them when convenient.

"In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.”

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”

Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives.

In her attempt to defend herself against the TERF label, Rowling just ended up providing more solid evidence that she is one. She works hard to disguise her views as feminism and genuine concern for the wellbeing of all women, but relies heavily on a number unsubstantiated opinions about trans people that the community has been fighting against for years. Rowling sees herself as highly educated on transgender issues but she still fails to see how her views—and her insistence on using her huge platform to promote them—are hurting transgender people."

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

J.K. Rowling's History Of Transphobia - IN Magazine

The world is going through a lot right now. With a global pandemic still in full swing and Black Lives Matter protests happening all over the world every day, J.K. Rowling thought it would be a good time to remind everyone that she’s still transphobic....

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia

EmmyFr · 27/08/2026 05:45

I can't believe we have to repeat once more that JKR meant that if "real, genuine" transwomen are allowed into women's spaces then there is no way of stopping "hypocritical, predatory" transwomen entering them as well, precisely because there is no, and never will be, any "genital inspection" or "soul inspection" at the door of public bathrooms.

But hey, to understand it you'd have to be in good faith and unprejudiced so there's that.

NB : some real and genuine transwomen also happen to be predators. Just like some. TERFs are a**holes. A universal rule of human groups.

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 05:53

EmmyFr · 27/08/2026 05:45

I can't believe we have to repeat once more that JKR meant that if "real, genuine" transwomen are allowed into women's spaces then there is no way of stopping "hypocritical, predatory" transwomen entering them as well, precisely because there is no, and never will be, any "genital inspection" or "soul inspection" at the door of public bathrooms.

But hey, to understand it you'd have to be in good faith and unprejudiced so there's that.

NB : some real and genuine transwomen also happen to be predators. Just like some. TERFs are a**holes. A universal rule of human groups.

Just like some Mexicans happen to be rapists or some Haitians 'eat cats & dogs'?

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”

-Trump

NotBadConsidering · 27/08/2026 05:57

Oh dear, we’re back on Trump and Mexicans again. Why are you so obsessed?

i dont even know mean girls GIF
Igneococcus · 27/08/2026 06:14

The question if humans can change sex is not a moral one but one of scientific truth.

BackToLurk · 27/08/2026 06:27

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 05:53

Just like some Mexicans happen to be rapists or some Haitians 'eat cats & dogs'?

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”

-Trump

“Not all men”

ShowOfHands · 27/08/2026 06:38

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 05:36

The bigotry is more regarding the implication of harmful stereotypes against trans people as either transitory 'tom boys' or dangerous predators.

Its indeed interesting that those who purport to be against harmful stereotypes, certainly don't mind applying them when convenient.

"In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.”

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”

Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives.

In her attempt to defend herself against the TERF label, Rowling just ended up providing more solid evidence that she is one. She works hard to disguise her views as feminism and genuine concern for the wellbeing of all women, but relies heavily on a number unsubstantiated opinions about trans people that the community has been fighting against for years. Rowling sees herself as highly educated on transgender issues but she still fails to see how her views—and her insistence on using her huge platform to promote them—are hurting transgender people."

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

If you're trying to objectively prove bigotry, you need to quote somebody's actual words, not an article which cherry picks somebody's actual words and interprets them according to a subjective point of view.

BunnyBunbunbun · 27/08/2026 06:39

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 01:21

I don't think agreeing to still be associated with an idea is in any way a concession to the creator's moral or political stance or helps perpetuate it. John Lithgow made this point recently that the work still maintains its value regardless & that's why he agreed to still be part of HP.

Just like the US constitution still maintains its moral relevance despite being written by slave owners, JKR's immoral position shouldn't matter particularly because the ideas in HP are contra to it that effectively inculcate generations of people against JKR's personal bigotry which only has a finite existence.

Edited

Sure, lots of actors who feel that they have to make performative statements against JKR still want to be associated with her creations, because her creations are so brilliant. Isn't the issue more, however, that actors who are cast for anything to do with Harry Potter are then immediately attacked by the loons? I guess this shows how the loon TRAs are losing their grip. As for Grint, I suspect he no longer believes transwomen are women, if he ever really did.

EmmyFr · 27/08/2026 06:42

Yes, some Mexicans happen to be rapists. These Mexicans are all males. Some French persons (my nationality) happen to be rapists. These French persons are all males. Some transwomen happen to be rapists (more so in proportion, as it appears). These transwomen are all... Males.

Much as I abhorr Trump, I'm not going to support males in women's spaces just to spite him off.

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:46

ShowOfHands · 27/08/2026 06:38

If you're trying to objectively prove bigotry, you need to quote somebody's actual words, not an article which cherry picks somebody's actual words and interprets them according to a subjective point of view.

If you're trying to objectively prove JKR isn't implying trans tropes you will need to point to exactly what she says in those quotes that invalidates the accusation & why because just saying something isn't so doesn't qualify as a legitimate argument.

SabrinaThwaite · 27/08/2026 06:47

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 05:36

The bigotry is more regarding the implication of harmful stereotypes against trans people as either transitory 'tom boys' or dangerous predators.

Its indeed interesting that those who purport to be against harmful stereotypes, certainly don't mind applying them when convenient.

"In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.”

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”

Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives.

In her attempt to defend herself against the TERF label, Rowling just ended up providing more solid evidence that she is one. She works hard to disguise her views as feminism and genuine concern for the wellbeing of all women, but relies heavily on a number unsubstantiated opinions about trans people that the community has been fighting against for years. Rowling sees herself as highly educated on transgender issues but she still fails to see how her views—and her insistence on using her huge platform to promote them—are hurting transgender people."

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

That’s just someone’s opinion of JKR’s essay, and written from a gender idealogical viewpoint (since it’s published in a Canadian LGBTQIA++++ digital magazine).

1/10 for effort.

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Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:50

EmmyFr · 27/08/2026 06:42

Yes, some Mexicans happen to be rapists. These Mexicans are all males. Some French persons (my nationality) happen to be rapists. These French persons are all males. Some transwomen happen to be rapists (more so in proportion, as it appears). These transwomen are all... Males.

Much as I abhorr Trump, I'm not going to support males in women's spaces just to spite him off.

Many women engage in typical behaviours that distinguish women as a group from men. Some may see these as stereotypes. See where this is going?

Can't have it both ways.

DialSquare · 27/08/2026 06:51

Why keep posting a load of bollocks instead of a direct quote @Northernlightsss? We’ve been through all this nonsense before. So either put up, or shut up. Prove JKRs immorality and bigotry with one of her direct quotes.

napody · 27/08/2026 06:51

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:50

Many women engage in typical behaviours that distinguish women as a group from men. Some may see these as stereotypes. See where this is going?

Can't have it both ways.

Do you think women should have any spaces, sports or services separate from men? Why (or why not)?

Northernlightsss · 27/08/2026 06:52

SabrinaThwaite · 27/08/2026 06:47

That’s just someone’s opinion of JKR’s essay, and written from a gender idealogical viewpoint (since it’s published in a Canadian LGBTQIA++++ digital magazine).

1/10 for effort.

Care to dispute why its wrong? Can't can you? Is that why you are dismissing it?

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