Lactation support conference in Ireland - the quiet part out loud

It is amazing that he feels he can say what he says with impunity. The problem is that he's purely talking about the reactions of the men in these circumstances. Is stating that a sufficient defence against the kind of criticism you're making?
I'm not looking to split hairs, I just wonder if listing the benefits to men falls into the strict legal category you're suggesting?

I don't know. But he's already set up a thing called breastfeeding for kinksters.

The entire concept would be illegal. I'm sure it's only a question of time.

For the purpose of such materials, and throughout ALCI Education Events, the terms Breastfeeding and Mother are chosen without bias or prejudice.

I know others might not agree, but I do give them credit for agreeing that 'mother' and 'breastfeeding' can be used as neutral terms that don't imply anything about identity/personality/behavour/preferences.

However, I'm baffled that they don't understand why it's necessary to exclude fetishists/the fetish adjacent from their conference, or why they think somebody with these links is the best person to advise the people who are overwhelmingly likely to be seeking their advice - women, regardless of how they identify.

It's all very Jolyon Maugham 'helping black and brown people'.

When they talk about chestfeeding by men isn't it more likely that this refers to women who identify as men?

I had a good look at the ALCI website. Someone is very busy on there. No longer are the two posters for the conference visible. Nor is there a link to purchasing entry tickets. Ardilaun Hotel Galway not mentioned. I highly suspect the hotel has been contacted, that’s the way these things work in Ireland. It’s a small family hotel, well known in Galway, and yes I’ve been there and will be actually in Galway the week after the conference. (I live on the continent).

The membership is clearly 100% women. The listed professionals are all women, I’ve only a doubt about one named individual that doesn’t have a photo. Photos from prior conferences are 99.9% women. Breastfeeding professionals. The .01% is a male presenter from the conference 2 years ago. Plus a picture of a couple with a pregnant woman.

What strikes me is how strong is the word Lactation, rather than Breast-feeding. Also striking is the avoidance of the word Woman. I’m beyond wondering is it an error, or my heightened senses, because I’m certain it’s deliberate.

The link for board members is missing.

I wonder whether by using the word 'lactation', he has the (not very) plausible deniability that when he talks about sexual gratification and kink, of course hes not talking about involving babies being fed, purely the act of producing and secreting 'milk'.

Yeah, right.

On another note, I dont understand the disapproval of donor breast milk upthread by a PP. Some tiny prem babies, including my own, cannot tolerate formula - their tiny unformed bodies cannot process it. If i hadn't been able to express I dread to think what would have happened because our hospital didn't have a milk bank facility. They can literally be life saving.

Lifestyle questionnaires for donors and screening the milk, just like they do for blood donations ensures its as safe as possible. Its no different to donor blood! If you accept the concept of lifesaving blood donations, why not milk?

No Mother is using donor milk just because she 'prefers' it to formula - that's a horribly ignorant thing to say and implies its an unnecessary lifestyle choice.

It beggars belief: Jasmin Sussex case from Australia.

https://www.2gb.com/breastfeeding-counsellor-sacked-as-mother-deemed-hate-speech/

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/this-isnt-about-same-sex-relationships-jasmine-sussex/video/8662664a94f78179ad4a72fb8d9d7c20

News of the breastfeeding conference might help Ireland to realise that something needs to be done about the madness. It's not a side issue. The obvious safeguarding implications might help wake people and politicians up. The cruelty to women and invasion of their space is very clear when you are talking about breastfeeding a child.

plausible deniability that when he talks about sexual gratification and kink, of course hes not talking about involving babies being fed, purely the act of producing and secreting 'milk'.

But can't they see how harmful it is to normalise 'lacation kinks'. Regardless of what they say, inclusion of this man in a main stream conference does endorse everything he does.

The whole world is full of red tape, notices, warnings, restrictions, need to wait months for vetting reports etc...yet someone with a planet-sized ego and energy and will can steamroller through civic guardrails to get to a point where he's invited as an expert to a purely female-only activity, as someone who's not even advising women.
We can't walk out of our front door and get thru a day at work without feeling rules and regulations on our shoulders.
Yet a man proudly into kink and male sexual entitlement, a red flag in so many ways, somehow skips into this conference unencumbered.
Of course, when fantasy hits the ice cold air of reality, and the hotel is informed of his comments, then logic and common sense return, and the dream is over for him.
If it wasn't for those complaining, a person suggesting pedophile pleasure for men against babies would still have kept his invite, even with his bold as brass comments in the public domain.

Can you please stop. In the neonatal I was in I breast-fed and expressed. The nurses gave me the small bottles to do so. I’d hand them over and the nurses named them and dated them, using excess for the other babies. No I wasn’t tested for diseases etc. Don’t overthink it. It’s a simple matter of trust, the nurses knew I and every other parent were there trying to do our best for our children. Throwing away such milk would have been outrageous as it was so beneficial to the tiny babies. The first time I breastfed they supervised me to make sure I got it right, after that I did it in a private room, and my husband was often with me. They got him to change our babies nappy the first time in the incubator. In the room he too could hold our baby, as human contact is so important. Those nurses would never let anyone harm a baby. Their dedication was outstanding.

And I was like, no, they're lying to you.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????

So also lacks basic competence.

This man seems to have Main Character Syndrome in a massive way, at the very least (I won't go into the very worst). Just speaking for myself, I wouldn't touch this man, his social circles, or anyone he worked for or advocated for with a ten-foot pole! I wouldn't hire him, ask him to speak at a conference, or let any of my family members near him.

Even if all he was doing was talking about himself to the exclusion of everything else in the universe. And certainly not knowing what else he thinks is "acceptable."

He seems contemptible to me. I won't say what else he seems to be.

The Irish website has now deleted the list of their breastfeeding experts. Massive cleanup of their website. Links broken etc. Presumably the experts contacted the ACLI and demanded their names be removed. It had photos, phone numbers and locations.

I wonder were some of them contacted for comment by the media.

It's like Keyser Söze from The Usual Suspects
"And like that...he's <gone>"

Oh absolutely I agree, why would anyone with any sense book this awful specimen to speak?

I meant I wondered whether he himself thinks his obfuscating language will protect him. Hopefully not...

They're going to try to whitewash the whole thing.

But the internet never forgets...

Because inclusion, diversity, not judging, being kind etc now trump child safety, women's rights and comfort, and ages-old evolved instinct in women, societal ick factor/justified disgust.

Bring back the ick factor, I say!

I took a screen shot yesterday

I don't think so - the whole 'chestfeeding' thing seems to involve having to artificially induce 'lactation', and I think it fits squarely with transIDing men appropriating women's biological functions, e.g. allegedly haveing periods, and going through the menopause.

The number of transIDing women who want to breastfeed must be vanishingly small.

Not that there are millions of transIDing MEN who want to breastfeed either, but they make a lot of noise about it as if it was a human right they were entitled to..

We have to be inclusive to perverts now it seems.