Lactation support conference in Ireland - the quiet part out loud

I've taken screenshots, thanks for raising that.

I had three children. I never actually had any formula in the house during the months when any of them was feeding exclusively on milk. In fact I have never bought any formula milk, even for a friend!

But clearly I am a liar. Oh well.

Once/if ALCI get wind that you have posted the programme, I predict that they will ask MN to delete your post (don't ask me how I know this), so I recommend that if anyone reading this wants to keep a copy of the programme for themselves, screenshot or otherwise save it before it disappears!

As the ACLI deleted their conference programme here it is for posterity ...

Sale of tickets cancelled due to 'health and safety' - speaker details deleted. This change to their website was done today. Clearly mad scenes going on their website as they frantically try to back-peddle

This mornings change, I assume the international speak was Jacob

Yes that’s a really good point.

But it strikes me as not particularly difficult to understand that there are historical taboos that serve no useful purpose (gay sex) and taboos that are still very much relevant (a man with a breast feeding fetish).

The point is not to decide that if we overcome one we have to overcome all. The point is to draw the line somewhere sensible for the needs of society. I’m not sure why that distinction is difficult for people.

He probably just doesn't know many mums very well, because not many mums would want to hang out with him.

Although I do think there's a bit of a prevailing societal attitude in the uk that breastfeeding is very hard, and it's rare to get on with it easily, and his comments fit in that category. I think that general attitude is off-putting to first time mums and indirectly contributes to the low uptake and continuation of breastfeeding.

Yes, I agree that it's a power play.

But taking him at face value he is a breast feeding consultant who isn't familiar enough with breast feeding mothers to believe that some women breast feed exclusively.

I don't like to think of him reading anonymous breast feeding forums, but does he really think that women who worry whether their exclusively breast fed baby will take a bottle are making it all up for kudos?

I'm trying to imagine seeking help with breast feeding from somebody whose default assumption is that I am lying.

That's really kind that you did that. I already said that it is different if it's done in hospital rather than at home.

It is indeed a matter of trust. And it is purely the fault of bad actors like the man described in the op, when mothers like me lose trust.

Many of us have an ick factor about anal sex. We had to work to overcome, or at least publicly suppress, that ick factor to fully accept homosexuality in men. Maybe that has made us more prone to suppressing other, more important, ick factors.

'....it's funny you say that because every mom I'm friends with their baby is exclusively breasted.
And I was like, no, they're lying to you. They don't want to lose face because there's shame surrounding it.
You are all just lying to each other.

yeah, it's just opening the door to encouraging non-exclusive breastfeeding, so he can normalise getting sexual kicks out of squeezing some man juice out.

What I really hate about it is the faux concern for women and, if you weren't subjected to so much sexism, this wouldn't be happening.

It's the dressing up of his raging misogyny under the guise of anti-sexism.

it comes to something, when men claiming they are for women, is actually a massive red flag.

Yes, I imagine that this extends well beyond the TIM brotherhood.

Not an original thought; but check his bloody hard drive!!

We know that men fetishise breastfeeding. The opportunity for them to secrete from their own bodies is very new. It has come at around about the same time as the concept of not kink-shaming has been promoted. We have no idea how many men, regardless of their self-identification, are turned on by the idea that they can now live their fetish.

You're not only fighting your conscious mind, but biological evolution. And deeply ingrained social development. No wonder the cognitive dissonance in GCs, women especially, when they hear what this guy has said, what he proposes, is off the scale.

Men who develop ductal carcinoma have breast cancer, not chest cancer.

Totally agree with all this.

I think it was a poster on here who said it (shout if anyone recognises themselves) but I found it very insightful.

That the progressive, liberal types have been taught to see that ‘ick’ factor or disgust response as something that it is virtuous to overcome. A disastrous conclusion.

This may have been covered already, but just to point out.

Ireland has the lowest BFing rates in the developed world. The fact they are wasting their time with this perversion instead of addressing the actual issues blows my mind completely.

I appreciate this is less important than the fact that we are talking about the sexual abuse of babies here, but it’s just another layer in the stupidity and depravity on display here.

I know Douglas Murray isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he rarely says things not worth listening to.
He's out and proud, but 100% LGB as opposed LGBTQ+.
He contends that Western society, for obvious reasons skewed heterosexual, has learnt to absolutely accept gays, the same civil rights, opportunities, lack of discrimination etc.
But that even in our most egalitarian ways, very outward gay behaviour in public still grates.
There will never be no judgement, but as a society we've settled on equal footing. Yet the biological imperative means public behaviour patterns are still judged.
We don't feel comfortable with heterosexual excess either.
As seen at more and more extreme Pride events where kink cannot will not be accepted by the vast majority.
He comments on trans, in a parallel universe, trans IDs could have gone the way of gay acceptance if it remained proportionate (especially in relation to women's and kid's rights), effectively purely societal goths for the 21st century, a continuation of the gender non confirming culture that was already established.
But anything beyond this...men in women's sex-based/sensitive spaces, youth medicalization, the enforced push to normalize transvestic paraphilia/autogynephilia, with warps like trans chest-feeding and the whole kink subculture, all wrapped up in the most brutal cancel culture/anti free speech ethos he (and we) have seen in our lives, creates the most instinctual pushback from the vast majority.
And yes, he talks about disgust. A word and concept that's banished in the West, as the Be Kind/Don't Judge moral relativism drive has all but ended talk of right and wrong, boundaries.
He says it's time to bring back the word, the concept, embrace it, and start to apply it.
He'd certainly call this fellow disgusting, his concepts and declarations disgusting, his invite disgusting, and the organisers disgusting for inviting him.