Transitioning or therapy as the treatment for gender dysphoria

Cornwall, normal community. Nasty girls said it to another girl. Mean girls use all weapons at their disposal. It happened and I don't care if you don't believe me.

Yes, sometimes it simply offers a special, unique and quirky 'identity' which has currency in the individual's social circle.

Sometimes a mental health condition

other times… attention seeking; bored; too much time on SM

Not so new to Mumsnet as it turns out. The OP previously engaged in FWR four months ago by starting a similar thread. In that thread they mention having trans identifying sister (FtM).

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5513985-do-you-feel-that-gender-identity-exists-and-is-innate

This is one of the HUGE downsides to social media! It can make ridiculous, extreme, or harmful ideas seem sensible by distorting social norms, rewarding outrage, and creating isolated echo chambers.

Sometimes a mental health condition

other times… attention seeking; bored; too much time on SM

Culture assigns gender by translating biological sex into social roles, rules, and expectations. Societies use birth markers, behaviour codes, rituals, and language to teach people how to act like a specific gender which is a separate issue to gender self identification.

Sometimes a mental health condition

other times… attention seeking; bored; too much time on SM

So what. Kids say horrible things and meaningless pointless things to other kids all the time. I means nothing. You smell, you have ratty hair, you're spotty, you're fat, you've got no friends, you live in a poor house, I hate you, no one wants to be your friend.

They'll pick any old thing if they want to be nasty. What a good parent does is counter that and encourage resilience.

Trousers is such a stupid thing. I dont think I ever wore a skirt out of school and I dont own dresses or skirts now.

I know that, you know that, but it was said to my friend's daughter at junior school. She's now 14.

This, this this this this. And this.

It is a MH condition in the same way as any body dysmorphia. In fact this is about the body, it is body dysmorphia. The use of the term gender dysphoria has been made up to match the theory which as you say is predicated on thin air.

We dont treat anorexics by agreeing with them that they're fat and need weight loss surgery.

Concepts of 'gender dysphoria' are a relatively recently invented framework with which to view and then label an individual's feelings of distress and discomfort about themselves and their place in the world. 'Transitioning' is also part of this ideological construction and is presented as the solution to 'gender dysphoria'.

Concepts of 'Gender' - as distinct to 'Sex' - are social/cultural in origin and many people would suggest that 'gender' is just a synonym for personality or character ( regardless of whether an individual is broadly gender conforming or non conforming).

Gender ideology posits that if one does not conform to the gender roles or characteristics of one's sex then it is posssible that one has a neurological mis-match between mind and body - resulting in 'gender dysphoria' , and that one's inner soul could somehow be more typical of the opposite sex, and that transitioning to that sex ( not possible), or to that set of stereotypes/presentations could be a solution to one's dysphoric feelings.

This is all predicated on nothing but thin air and post modernistic ideas about the self that have arisen out of 'Queer Theory'. If one wants to present in ways considered typical of the opposite sex then go ahead ( adhering to the the same sorts of social limits that we must all adhere to around occasion and appropriateness) if that makes you feel better and more comfortable in yourself, but it is a naive and false expectation that the world must validate your feelings and change its normal sets of rules and boundaries to accommodate them. The world does not revolve around an individual's feelings.

This girl would have been surrounded by other girls and women wearing trousers. Baby girls wear trousers!

Imagine that said to the wrong girl. A girl who already doesn't fit in with the other girls, who is struggling. Not hard to see a seed of doubt being sown, is it?

Imagine that said to the wrong girl. A girl who already doesn't fit in with the other girls, who is struggling. Not hard to see a seed of doubt being sown, is it?

It does seem as though people live in different social groups some of which may be very tolerant of variety and others which are very intolerant

I have seen both but if you haven’t you could be forgiven for thinking all is good in the garden ( and especially the school playground ) . it’s naive

Yes, of course they do. And other girls did and do. This was said to one specific girl out of unkindness. Since young girls can't be mean.

Yes, of course they do. And other girls did and do. This was said to one specific girl out of unkindness. Since young girls can't be mean.

So in Cornwall… girls don’t wear trousers?

So in Cornwall… girls don’t wear trousers?

Kudos to the OP. This is the first new to Mumsnet poster in a while who's arrived promoting the idea of men in women' spaces (er, well, some of them based on some undefinable notions) who's so far nor descended into the usual "sorry you're unable to understand /comprehend my intellectually superior word salad posts".

That's quite an achievement given the track record for new posters. 😁

And of course has enabled some genuinely powerful and intelligent responses.