'Pregnant people'

“We are all born of woman, and we carry the pulse of the first mother in our blood.”

They are already included by virtue of being women - adult female humans. Sex cannot be changed. The inner feelings of individuals matter to them, of course, but they are no reason to change or erase the words which belong to and describe the female sex.

This is just not an answer to the question. Nobody is saying trans people don't exist or deserve healthcare. Women deserve good maternity services and healthcare generally no matter how they feel about their sex or how they choose to perform whatever they perceive as 'gender'. But 'woman' is the right term for a human gestating a baby.

I’m aware and of course it’s all infuriating bollocks.

but as I said, it’s mildly less infuriating to me if it’s not TIM feelings that are being soothed, which some posters were implying.

Fair point. The feelings and behaviour of trans-identified men are another whole minefield.

Ain't that the truth!”

So you don't disagree that it is perfectly acceptable for traumatised women to request a change of doctor on the grounds that she does not wish to be examined by a male, however he presents? And you therefore, by extension, agree that sex is real and single sex care is essential for many women? Thank you.

Also, I did not use a slur for any minority. As someone who ticks several minority boxes myself, I would never do that.

I am sorry about your history - I am also an abuse survivor so I do empathise and understand how upsetting things like medical appointments can be. I hope you are doing okay 💐

The difficulty of course is that not every woman is aware of her rights (it's known as something different in NHS Scotland btw), which is why you have people like Dr Upton who have freely admitted that they will continue to treat a woman even if she requests a female Dr. This means that women who may want to see a male Dr may be left feeling that she is not able to request one when she knows she's being treated by a male but he claims he's a woman. Absolutely chilling.

This is appalling! I read that he is now practicing in Australia.

If a "non-binary genderfluid" person ascends to the throne, I assume it will be Their Majesty, The Quing.

Imagine the upper crust after-dinner toasts.

"Ladies and gentlemen - The Quing!"

Assembled officers and gentlefolk, rising: "The Quing!"

Yes - and no doubt continuing to ignore or completely disregard the wishes, feelings or discomfort of Australian women.

These are not the people who are unwelcome in health services - women are. Health services are falling over themselves to accommodate men.

Bit out of left field, but today I saw an instagram post of a TIM who had had lots of 'work' done to become a woman (!) and took a DNA test and was distraught to see he still came up XY. No shit sherlock? Unbelievable.

I’ve just looked this up. It is unbelievable!! One comment said “You can’t trans your DNA.”

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Today 03:19
Gynae care especially. If you aren't sure you can trust someone who will examine you so intimately, then you will be put off from attending.

So near and yet....so, so far.

If a woman who wants a woman to examine her can't be sure she can trust the person is actually a woman, she will be put off.

You are sympathetic to the feelings of transmen, fair enough, but you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge how women without a trans identity feel.

Transwomen are men. Even the doctor ones.

This is primarily to be inclusive to TIFs and non-binaries, not to TIMs.

No. If 'inclusivity' mattered there would be upteen ads for 'people with a prostate' to make sure that TIMs realised that despite how they identified, they could still get prostate cancer.

Credit where credit's due.

In its story on the salmonella risk the BBC News website is using "pregnant women" in its headline and its own text.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2krdggx6xo

There is a quote from the FSA chief scientific adviser, Ian Young, where he says "..for those people in particular who are young, elderly, pregnant or vulnerable...", which is an obvious cop-out.

Thank you. That's a really good indication that things at the BBC are changing for the better after all these years of gaslighting.

I would personally prefer a trans woman to examine me over a cis guy

May I respectfully ask why? Do you think "trans women" are better people than "cis guys"? Or do you think that "trans women" are actually women in the same way that you are a woman (I realise that I'm presuming that you are a woman, not a man)? Or some other reason?

It's astounding that we find ourselves in a situation where the BBC referring to 'pregnant women' should be seen as something positive or noteworthy as opposed to something that we wouldn't even notice, in the way it always was until a few years ago. Mad that we feel the need to give our national broadcaster (or indeed anyone else) credit for using correct terminology, but here we are.

I think @TransParentlyAnnoyed is male. He mentioned “dropping sprogs!” I can’t believe a woman would ever use that term for giving birth.

It's just as baffling if he's a bloke ... unless of course he's attracted to "trans women", but I doubt that's the reason. Anyway, it's possible I might get an answer, though I can't hold my breath for long.

Say pregnant women. If you want to add, & people, to accommodate the fraction of a percent of female people who may be pregnant & do not identify as women, then that is your choice but don't erase 99+% of women & call it inclusive.

Agreed. But as we've so often said, this is like turning a massive tanker around - very slowly and carefully. The BBC have been massively responsible for promoting sex change as desirable and problem free to young children (and the rest of us) so to see them oh so carefully abandoning biased language in favour of accurate fact based language is important.
But so much gritting of teeth as we watch these useful idiots crossing that golden bridge

The OP has probably changed user name by now!