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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Complaint in to Lewisham re EHRC

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13RidgmontRoad · 11/08/2026 20:46

Two of us put our heads together and have submitted the following. More obviously very welcome. If there is appetite for in-person discussion or activism around this issue I'm happy to (vet and) arrange it.

Complaints to Lewisham: lewisham.gov.uk/mayorandcouncil/complaints-and-feedback/how-to-send-us-a-complaint-or-feedback

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Mayor Shrivastava,

We are writing to you regarding the recent statement published by Lewisham Council concerning the EHRC's updated Equality Act 2010 Code of Practice (CoP).

We agree with you that all residents of our borough deserve to live with dignity and safety and have no desire to see trans people excluded from council services. We are, like many, firmly in favour of the provision of third spaces where these can be appropriately and safely implemented.

However, we are concerned that in your focus on ensuring inclusivity for trans residents, the council is disregarding the importance of protecting single-sex spaces for natal women and girls in a context where they continue to be subject to disproportionate levels of assault, abuse and harassment (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/thenatureofviolentcrimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2024) which in our view and in law underpins the existence of single sex provision.

It is essential that the council acknowledges that provision for trans people cannot be made at the expense of these established protections and that women and girls' rights and experience have weight. Any future approach to service design must be handled with care, acknowledging the needs of the whole population of the borough, including those for whom single-sex provision is a necessity for cultural, religious, or personal safety reasons and to whom the council has an equal obligation.

As you know, the CoP is designed to protect women in single-sex spaces. This is following on from the ­Supreme Court's April 2025 decision in For Women Scotland that the interpretation of UK equality law requires terms such as 'man' and 'woman' to be read with their ordinary biological meanings. That means that women's services which are sex-segregated - among them changing rooms, rape crisis centres and hospital wards - must not be open to men, whatever their gender identity. This does not mean transgender people have in some way lost legal protection - they are protected under equality law. The EHRC also provides public-facing organisations with practical advice about how to comply with the law.

We would be grateful if you could clarify the council's specific approach to the day-to-day management of its services. Specifically, how does the council intend to ensure the continued accessibility and privacy of, for example, female-only swimming, gym, and dance sessions'which are vital services for many local residents'as well as the management of toilet and changing facilities across our public sites? And how does the council intend to ensure that services for some of its most vulnerable women, including domestic abuse services, rape crisis services and refuges - appropriately meet their needs?

The council is right to be conscious of the experience of different minorities within the borough. However, a truly egalitarian, inclusive and conciliatory approach must also recognise that Lewisham is home to a diverse population with a wide range of needs. We believe that working to achieve a balance where provision is thoughtfully designed to be inclusive of all residents, rather than prioritising the needs of one group to the detriment of another is the most appropriate use of council resources. It also importantly fulfils the council's obligations under the Public Sector Equality Duty - which, counter to your assertions in your motion - already protects right of trans people from discrimination, harassment and victimisation under the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, alongside, and with an equal weighting to, the eight other protected characteristics, including sex.

A challenge by the council against the EHRC Code of Practice, underpinned as it is by the ruling of the Supreme Court, would represent a gross misuse of the council's resources which runs counter to your obligations as part of Best Value duties and leaves you open to legal challenge and scrutiny, including by the Local Government Ombudsman at the point of which service users are affected by your decisions.

At a time when local government resources are severely constrained, we would expect you to focus resources on delivering the best outcomes for all residents rather than pursuing - at potentially significant cost to the council - a position which is at odds with your responsibilities under the Equality Act 2010 (including the promotion of good relations between communities), on which you have not undertaken any public consultation and on which the EHRC and Supreme Court have conclusively ruled.

We look forward to hearing your thoughts on this matter and understanding the council's strategy for navigating these issues in practice. We would appreciate a response to this letter within the timescales set out by Lewisham Council's complaints procedure.

Name 1
Name 2

The nature of violent crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

An overview of the extent of violent crime in England and Wales, including long-term trends, use of weapons, and victim characteristics.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/thenatureofviolentcrimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2024

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FanOfGailDines · 17/08/2026 21:02

Sorry I'm not sure how to use all the features as am new to MumsNet but 13RidgmontRoad you talked about setting up a group for action on this topic. Is that possible?
I also realised that a good additional question would be, as suggested by Public SectorHag:

Have you taken legal advice on the implications of your motion on Child Safeguarding and if so, what advice did you receive and from whom?

Perhaps someone else could send that as an FOI?

FanOfGailDines · 25/08/2026 18:29

I don't know if this would be valid but would it be possible to get an FOI or send some other kind of question to Lewisham to get a breakdown of exactly what it means to 'show solidarity with Trans and Intersex LGBTQI + community?'

Because many of the gender critical women are lesbians for example. And the LGB Alliance, are they being supported? What about the detransitioners? Does Lewisham Council, for example, think it is a mistake that puberty blockers are now not available on the NHS? What about all the gender nonconforming kids who are gay or gender nonconforming but not trans? What about material in schools? Do they think all children should be told they can choose to be a boy or girl? Do they think it is possible to change your sex?

It is a complicated issue and since it is so central to the Green Party's identity they must know exactly what they mean when express their solidarity. What exactly? Can they specify?

nicepotoftea · 25/08/2026 18:41

Very good letter.

I liked the way it focused on their policies and the practicalities of what they propose.

nicepotoftea · 25/08/2026 18:43

FanOfGailDines · 14/08/2026 15:02

Excellent letter. Thanks for putting it on here.One of the things I have thought is often as parents we send kids, including the young boys as well as girls off to female facilities knowing they will be safer there. Quite often the children are unsupervised for a time, for example going off to use toilets or changing rooms. We are supposed to be giving the kids more freedom and independence! Anyway, how do I explain to the children that if there is a man in the facilities this may or may not be cause for alarm and even though he looks like a man he might be a woman? I mean, what doesn't Lewisham Council want me to do as a mother? Either keep my children unhealthily supervised or give them explanations that don't make sense and also fly in the face of Safeguarding. The times we live in are a bit exhausting!

Anyway, how do I explain to the children that if there is a man in the facilities this may or may not be cause for alarm and even though he looks like a man he might be a woman?

The practical position would be that the facility is mixed sex so you could have no expectation that there wouldn't be a man present in any facility and no reason to ask him to leave.

FanOfGailDines · 25/08/2026 19:14

I agree that a practical position could be to always have mixed sex facilities but in many circumstances that practical position would be a diminishment of child safeguarding. Particularly if you think that encouraging independence in children is positive.

13RidgmontRoad · 25/08/2026 21:44

I don't know if this would be valid but would it be possible to get an FOI or send some other kind of question to Lewisham to get a breakdown of exactly what it means to 'show solidarity with Trans and Intersex LGBTQI + community?'

There will be one going in as soon as this person can get her act together - but if you want to (too), by all means.

My main concern in pursuing this is what seems like an abject failure on Lewisham’s part to acknowledge the situations in which women and girls need single-sex provision - literally just to acknowledge that these situations exist. And frankly I think their stance creates further unnecessary division between trans people and everyone else. If they were that interested in solutions as opposed to political posturing they’d push for appropriate third spaces.

The irony of pursuing all this as a butch lesbian who “passes” half the time isn’t lost on me. Nor the fact that professionally I work with some of the most vulnerable people in Lewisham.

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nicepotoftea · 25/08/2026 23:53

FanOfGailDines · 25/08/2026 19:14

I agree that a practical position could be to always have mixed sex facilities but in many circumstances that practical position would be a diminishment of child safeguarding. Particularly if you think that encouraging independence in children is positive.

I'm not saying that this is what should happen - just that this is the practical reality if anyone can use the facility and nobody can be asked to leave (regardless of the sign on the door).

If that is what the council decides to do (as detailed in Ridgmont's letter) it is likely that the council is discriminating against groups who, for a variety of reasons, require single sex spaces in some circumstances.

I suspect the council is hoping to get away with the worst of all possible solutions - making all services mixed sex, but without any impact assessment or even acknowledgment that the facilities are mixed sex.

Granville82 · 26/08/2026 05:02

I would support this is in any way necessary- I am in the borough. Lewisham is obviously extremely lefty and awful politically

TakingMyChancesWithTheRabbits · 26/08/2026 08:25

@13RidgmontRoad I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but you can use https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/ to submit FOI requests, and it keeps track of whether they've had a response and what it was. You can also search FOIs that other people have submitted

FanOfGailDines · 26/08/2026 08:42

nicepotoftea · 25/08/2026 23:53

I'm not saying that this is what should happen - just that this is the practical reality if anyone can use the facility and nobody can be asked to leave (regardless of the sign on the door).

If that is what the council decides to do (as detailed in Ridgmont's letter) it is likely that the council is discriminating against groups who, for a variety of reasons, require single sex spaces in some circumstances.

I suspect the council is hoping to get away with the worst of all possible solutions - making all services mixed sex, but without any impact assessment or even acknowledgment that the facilities are mixed sex.

Yes, definitely! I've been thinking about all of this in relation to children because I suspect those at Lewisham council who are coming out with their trite trendy nonsensical soundbites have stopped being able to hear the word woman. When we say women it just slides by their prefrontal cortex and goes straight to the amygdala. Whatever picture they have there: the karen of popular culture, a trad-wife influencer from Instragram or a conservative christian. Whatever the picture is they can't hear the word woman without associations.

So I was hoping that with children they might be able to stick around in the prefrontal cortex and think a little bit. About how many different people this is impacting. Definitely half the population of Lewisham but also their children.

I am going to try to talk to someone every time I am walking the dog and ask them what they think.

PublicSectorHag · Yesterday 11:10

For those of you who are considering submitting an FOI, the Information Commissioner’s Office has some helpful guidance on what makes for a valid and effective one: https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/official-information/preparing-and-submitting-your-information-request/

The broad steer is that FOIs should be clear, concise and ask for recorded information. So in this case, where the council Leaders have only raised a motion at this stage/ signalled their intention to ignore the EHRC guidance, the FOI might be a way of trying to force them to acknowledge that they’ve done this without the appropriate legal advice, consideration of the cost of this action or of how they could implement it legally. Anything broader would probably need to go into a letter or maybe a complaint (though the latter would need to be carefully crafted with reference to what policy or legislation hasn’t been followed I think).

How to write an effective request for information

An organisation has a responsibility to recognise a formal request for information and respond to it appropriately

https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/official-information/preparing-and-submitting-your-information-request

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