Midlands Partnership University NHS trust tells trans staff they can use women’s toilets

The NHS was set up to deliver a health service from cradle to grave for 30 million people not the 67 million we now have.

And I doubt very much whether that increase is due to immigrants.

At the time when the NHS was being set up life expectancy was a lot less. It was not uncommon for people to die in their early seventies so the NHS didn't have to cater for the health needs of extreme elderly people as it does now.

I wonder why they think this forum would be a receptive audience.

Not open to an alternative point of view then.

IANAL but I believe Neale Hanvey is a trustworthy source on this.

"Waiting for guidance from NHS England"
...the organisation that's being abolished altogether? That's a new convenient way to try and kick the can of obeying the law down the road. Not sure it'll hold up in court.

If I remember correctly Public Sector organisations do not have Public Liability Insurance.

The NHS has Resolution also know a Liabilities to Third Parties Scheme.So it would be tax payers forking out via NHS budgets.

I suspect this is why the NHS thinks it can get away with not following the law.

Well said. And don’t forget the oldie but goldie “Nobody Cares”.

I wonder if the soon to be extinct NHSE does ever give any guidance on the guidance on the law, who else’s guidance will need to be awaited before IMPLEMENTING THE LAW.

(Apologies if this has already been said, still catching up.)

Staggering the number of places now coming out openly as political supporters of anti-women activism (and by extension via the law they wish to destroy) anti-gay activism. And strongly, loudly against inclusion and equality.

These places need to be warned that without following the law and impartial services based on actual inclusion, actual equality and not trying to rid themselves of the members of the public they don't wish to serve...

they should be stripped of government funding.

Local Authorities hold and have played that card to organisations resisting disability equality and access; let's see National Government get on this please. Or, as PPs say, return taxes to women and gay people. Why should they fund services not only not for them but loudly and aggressively posting this kind of 'hate' at them for daring to exist?

Just read a letter from my new Green mayor warning of the “ dangers of single sex spaces” . I have replied pointing out the “ dangers of men in women's spaces” Why aren't they worrying about emptying the bins and social care etc?

'Dangers' of single sex spaces???!

Do these men actually have any fucks to give at all for women?

What is this idiot's plan for women excluded from resources, services, spaces, that they cannot access on a mixed sex basis? And what laws can those living in his patch just not bother with if they personally think they know better? Council tax? Parking fees? Arson?

How is this allowed?

Clearly the DGAF about being sued as its not their money that will be paying for it.

The government needs to step in here.

If only the people directly responsible for these illegal decisions could be also held directly financially responsible for the fines after inevitable conclusion of the resulting court cases. All this nonsense would end very quickly once they started having to sell their homes and empty their bank accounts to pay for their hubris.

Depending on the circumstances, the claimant can sometimes bring a discrimination claim against both the employer and one or more individual employees. I think that Sandy Peggie is in the process of adding a couple of managers to her claim, suing them as individuals, isn't she? The employee doesn't usually end up paying much compensation, but it must be a wake-up call.

Oh get a grip. Men, regardless of whether they’ve thrown on a dress, should not be in women’s private spaces. The men who use women’s spaces don’t give a crap about women. They want to assert dominance over women’s wants and needs even as they pretend to be one.

I suspect if there is a group action against NHSE, like the one JKR is offering to fund, ot is highly likely to name individuals as respondents.

As a pp said the SP ET was unusual in naming DrU. The subsequent ETs against the NHSF Cabal of 5 names them individually as respondents.

I can see naming individual respondents as a deliberate tactic to make it clear decision makers cannot avoid being held personally responsible and accountable.

All it takes is a few nurses at Faye R-Cs hospital to start by raising a grievance against named people and for that to progress to ET. Suddenly the CEO is a respondent in the witness box explaining why they have issued a statement saying they will not follow the law. A judgement against them could impact their career.

But it's never really been about toilets. Or trans people, come to that. It's been about forcing women to agree that the definition of women includes biological men so men can access their spaces. Wanting to feel safe when performing intimate care or acts is not transphobic, it's something women have been conditioned to do for their entire lifetimes, mostly.

Please don't use the term cis woman. We are not a subset of our own sex. And I would be really grateful if you could point to some of these examples of attacks on trans people being on the rise?

First of all, biological women are not ‘cis’ women. We are WOMEN and calling us ‘cis’ is womenphobic.
Secondly, protecting women’s and girls’ rights is not transphobic. Creating and maintaining single sex spaces for women is not transphobic.
We have a right to our own toilets, changing rooms and organisations. Our daughters have a right to privacy without being forced to share changing rooms with biological males. They have a right to take part in sports without having to compete against biological males. They have a right not to be forced to share a room with biological males when they go away on a trip or a camp. None of this is transphobic.
I have not heard any women or women rights activists objecting to transwomen having their own separate spaces. I am sure most of us would be delighted if transwomen were given their own spaces provided that it would keep them away from women’s spaces. So no, protecting women’s and girls’ rights is not transphobic.
There is law in this country protecting women’s rights and I am appalled that NHS is determined to break this law.