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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would you raise concerns? (Trans women in trauma informed women's space)

15 replies

Newname222 · 06/08/2026 12:46

Have name changed, sorry, but some of my other threads potentially make me identifiable. Mnhq can confirm I'm a real user though

I work with female offenders and as part of that we often refer to what's known as commissioned rehabilitative services.

I've just watched a pre-recorded training video (relevant in that i couldn't raise it at the time) which made it clear that the services are women only, and what's more they are trauma informed.

They then went on to explain that these services are open to anyone who identifies as a woman.

Given that around 60% of the female prison population report having experienced domestic and/or sexual abuse, is it really 'trauma-informed' to expect them to share that space with men who identify as women?

Wwyd?

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PrizedPickledPopcorn · 06/08/2026 12:57

Ask them to explain how they manage the conflict between being trauma informed, and including men who identify as women in spaces women expect to be sex.

notsorighteousthesedays · 06/08/2026 12:57

Report that the proposed service is potentially breaking the law to my line manager, adding that it is a concern that so would we be if we knowingly referred clients to it, and ask how I should approach this.

In writing so that it is documented from the start.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 06/08/2026 12:59

If you're in England, Scotland, or Wales, I would think the answer is obvious.

You either tell your employer that they are breaking the law if they allow men of any persuasion to use a single-sex service for females,

or

you say nothing, keep your head down, etc., if you want/need to. Not everyone is in a position to speak out.

But, your employer will still be breaking the law, even if you don't say anything, and they can, and probably will, be taken to court eventually.

If you are in NI, I'm really not sure how the law applies.

What do you want to do about it, OP?

HermioneWeasley · 06/08/2026 13:01

It’s not women only if it’s open to men and cannot advertise itself as such

spannasaurus · 06/08/2026 13:02

How old is the training? One option may be to enquire whether there have been any changes following the Supreme Court judgment and EHRC guidance

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/08/2026 13:02

I believe Sex Matters have some useful
information on their website about how to raise these issues with employers.

nicepotoftea · 06/08/2026 13:03

Newname222 · 06/08/2026 12:46

Have name changed, sorry, but some of my other threads potentially make me identifiable. Mnhq can confirm I'm a real user though

I work with female offenders and as part of that we often refer to what's known as commissioned rehabilitative services.

I've just watched a pre-recorded training video (relevant in that i couldn't raise it at the time) which made it clear that the services are women only, and what's more they are trauma informed.

They then went on to explain that these services are open to anyone who identifies as a woman.

Given that around 60% of the female prison population report having experienced domestic and/or sexual abuse, is it really 'trauma-informed' to expect them to share that space with men who identify as women?

Wwyd?

At the very least, you should tell them that they need to be clearer about who the services are for.

Who is providing the service? Is it a charity or government organisation .

Brainworm · 06/08/2026 13:04

You can ask your employer if the set up complies with the new guidance. You don’t even need to reveal which side of the fence you sit on- your question can be an open one.

Newname222 · 06/08/2026 13:10

Good call to ask if it complies with the new guidance. I'll ask that.

The providers are commissioned by the Ministry of Justice i presume, to provide various services. So would i raise it with the moj or hmpps? Or with the organisations themselves?

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Newname222 · 06/08/2026 13:10

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/08/2026 13:02

I believe Sex Matters have some useful
information on their website about how to raise these issues with employers.

Thanks I'll check that out

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2026 14:09

Newname222 · 06/08/2026 13:10

Good call to ask if it complies with the new guidance. I'll ask that.

The providers are commissioned by the Ministry of Justice i presume, to provide various services. So would i raise it with the moj or hmpps? Or with the organisations themselves?

Yes it’s quite likely they’re using old materials, maybe pre April 2025, could even be pre Forstater.

IwantToRetire · 06/08/2026 19:01

AS others have said if it is advertised as "women only" then it can only be for biological females. (In fact this was always true).

The Supreme Court ruling just makes clear that despite the assault of the English Language, the word women always did mean biological females.

So either to comply with the law if they are calling it for women then they can only allow biological women to attend.

If they want it open to those who identify as women, and have for instance a GRC then they need to make that clear.

NB those who identify and are not seeking a GRC are not covered eg those claiming they are non binary, or gender fluid.

If they are to be included then it isn't a service for women. It is a mixed sex trauma support service.

Is this part of the service funded by a particular stream of money, or funder.

Even if the source of this money has insisted it should be trans inclusive it can not be advertised or listed as women only.

From another perspective, and maybe someone like Women in Prison may be able to advise, the potential users of this service should not be mislead.

If you remember the court case in Scotland where Roz Adams won the court case about being bullied to lie to users?

Newname222 · 06/08/2026 19:51

Thanks all.
I work closely with WiP actually, didn't think to talk to them about it.

But i did email our head of contracted services and she has assured me that the women's only spaces are just that. And that while trans women can be referred for support, they are seen separately and do not have access to any of the women only spaces such as breakfast clubs and interventions.

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IwantToRetire · 06/08/2026 20:07

Newname222 · 06/08/2026 19:51

Thanks all.
I work closely with WiP actually, didn't think to talk to them about it.

But i did email our head of contracted services and she has assured me that the women's only spaces are just that. And that while trans women can be referred for support, they are seen separately and do not have access to any of the women only spaces such as breakfast clubs and interventions.

That's good to know! Glad you were able to have the conversation. And be re-assured.

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