Happy EHRC code of practice introduction day

Shami Chakraborty is on sky paper review. Given the news about the belated conviction of Simon Levy for 2 murders while on bail, I wondered if she'd recognise any Uncomfortable Thoughts that some of the things her former organisation campaigned for might have indirectly led to the situation she was tutting about. She actually seemed fairly sensible, in that she didn't overtly feel sorry for Levy or plead for compassion for him that he must have been terribly treated in his childhood which I was half expecting.

And then sky papers mentioned the EHRC guidelines on single sex spaces. She said the law and guidance is a mess (she didn't say the supreme court was wrong. I think as a lawyer she maybe cannot? She said she would not dare) because it leaves trans people who are a tiny tiny group at risk of exposure and vilification.

Then she actually echoed the line from Pot Noodle boy that this new law is akin to segregation under Jim Crow.

https://bsky.app/profile/sophiemolly.co.uk/post/3msc5kx3drs2d

But hang on argued Kwasi Kwarteng (I mean, Christ), what about the safety of women like the story We Have Literally Just Been Discussing. Then Chakraborty went off on one about how actually it's not simple science and it's actually very complicated in scientific terms to distinguish between men and women.

Ahuh.

Anyway: telling Gillian Joseph and Kwasi Kwarteng that providing toilets by sex characteristics is like segregation. Just wow.

And here's Dawn Butler.
Today, the EHRC Code takes effect, restricting which toilets trans people can use.

As a proud ally, I backed EDM 240 calling it unworkable.

This debate is still dominated by people who don’t understand the realities of trans people’s lives.
https://x.com/i/status/2085071408674046149

We've also got actual MPs (the people who create our legislation) apparently unable to tell the difference between law and statutory guidance for said law.

I used to be amazed that people couldn't tell the difference but now I think they're being deliberately obfuscatory to create confusion and uncertainty in society when it comes to organisations feeling able to enforce the legislation on access to single-sex spaces.

Just found this doozy from the group 'Guiders Against Trans Exclusion - GATE' on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=122133111987171460&set=pb.61585143808293.-2207520000

Apparently 'it is important to note that this guidance is not law' with regard to EHRC...

I’ll carry on pointing out how the women’s sector has been ideologically captured by gender identity ideology, you can make up whatever emotive nonsense you want about my opinion on it.

I'm not going to bother going on with this but bundling two totally different issues together doesn't validate your statement.

Refuge making a statement is not the whole women's sector. It is one group.

So them making a statement doesn't mean the sector has made a statement.

The reason why other groups haven't said anything is about, as anyone who in on FWR knows, that they are concerned about being targetted.

But if you want to go on disrespecting other women in public carry on.

That video is quite something! The lack of self awareness! She’s like a cross between Amanda in Motherland, Helen Webberley and Jill in Nighty Night.

Wish Magadelen Berns was still here to see this day, and how far we've come.
😢

God, I'd managed to forget all about Alex Drummond and his 'widening the bandwidth of how to be a woman'. Insufferable narcissist. 'Women are allowed to fix cars too'. Patronising prick.

Ugh! 🤬

*edited for spelling. don't try to speed type when you're raging.

This post is an admission that the women’s sector is highly captured. Pockets of resistance, yes, but also lots of vocally zealous trans rights activism. You seem surprised that not one women’s organisation has put out a press release that they support single sex spaces now it’s unequivocally legal to do so.

I’m not surprised at all.

You were pretty much conceding the extent of the capture in the post I replied to 🙄 I will express whichever opinion I choose, I don’t consider you a great authority on this matter or anything else. HTH

I am not being rude. I am talking about facts. the entire women's sector is not captured and making statement like that are extremely disrespectful to those women who are providing women only services.

Also it doesn't help FWR reputation for being an online source for informed discussion and fact sharing.

How is challenging someone making a sweeping generalisation being rude?

The Niblett woman isn't happy.

An actual UK MP, lounging in her bikini in a Mediterranean garden, telling British survivors that they’re arseholes for wanting single sex support services, rapists should be in women’s prisons and that your daughter should get changed in front of men. Mad
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Quite.

Nobody (well. Apparently other than transactivists) wants anyone to ever be without services. It's about adding them to provide mixed sex options and more differentiated groups alongside single sex ones for those who prefer and need those. A range where not everything is for everyone, but there is something for everyone.

The narrative at the moment is going to be lots and lots of reminders that yes, the additional mixed sex stuff will happen and is very special and important, because they're fighting an activist mindset that basically says, as demonstrated across a number of threads at the moment, 'unless I have everything all the time, I don't have enough', followed by meltdown.

This is already a huge demonstration of importance and actually privilege over women, as the cheap and easy option would have been the heartless 'right, everyone use existing provision on the basis of sex, end of, we don't care about your additional views/needs', (hasn't happened), and women who couldn't access mixed sex spaces even in extreme need for rape crisis etc, were just excluded and nobody cared. It is going to have to be enough.

[We] will continue to provide gender inclusive services such as community outreach support and dispersed emergency accommodation, as well as single sex services in line with the law

Seems OK to me.

Don’t worry @SidewaysOtter I’m used to it

@IwantToRetire, I don’t think there is any need to be so rude to @Ereshkigalangcleg

The women's sector is captured, you can deny it all you want.

Not all of the women's sector. These sort of sweeping generalisation not based on fact or knowledge doesn't help promote campaigning for women's sexed based rights.

Why not bother to read Sex Matters who dont make stuff up to "prove" a point, but produce evidence.

Just to repeat what is significant is unfortunately even though NOT the lead DV organisation the media presents it as though it is.

ie to the world at large the "lead" DV organisation in England is saying the priority is about trans rights.

Yes, people have pointed out many times before how utterly captured the women’s sector is.

Sorry but have now seen this is the statement from Refuge's CEO ie a press release!
https://refuge.org.uk/news/refuge-stands-with-all-survivors-as-the-ehrc-code-of-practice-comes-into-force/

This the the best known (if not the best) domestic violence support services in the UK.

Their statement sort of normalises the TRAs slant that what is happening now is a threat of some sort.

Just disgusting.

Although cant say I have seen any women's service provided put out just a simply statement along the lines that they are happy that their commitment to single sex services for women has been confirmed as legal once and for all.

Bravo!

Activists very distressed at having to permit women an inch of the world to call their own can go into any and all mixed sex changing rooms, loos etc with men with gender identities to their hearts' content and support them there. That's the beauty of today; now everyone matters and not just men with gender identities.

Bravo to all the brave and fabulous women who got us here.

It's blatant - women do not matter to this organisation, and any other organisation that fawns over +TQNB+++ like this.

Does it not occur to them how much their anti-women bias is showing when they release statements like this?

Magdalen "I'd rather be called rude than be a f...ing liar" Berns
RIP