Different instinctive reactions to men and trans women in public

I have the same reaction with effeminate men as well. I suspect its an evolutionary response that signals less risk.

Goodness why wouldn’t they date “trans women”? Sounds a bit transphobic, them being womanly women like all the other women.

/s

Unfortunately women are supposed to have socially conditioned response to ignore the fact that a man pretending to be a women is a threat.

That is what be kind asks women and girls to do - squash down the instincts that keep us safe.

I walk a lot on my own in quite country lanes, farm tracks etc. I can spot whether someone is male or female from a large distance regardless of their attire and I make a judgment accordingly.
I have also avoided following men into women's toilets for the same reason.

Yep.

This is the most important point.

Lexibletheflexible

With regard to your inclusive lesbians.

Are these the ones that belive that you can have sex with a fully intact trans woman and still be a lesbian. Or are they trans lesbians that believe that lesbians should be happy with a "female penis" or they are genital nazis?

Same - probably because trans men are women and no threat. Whereas trans women are men, 99% of them are fully intact, so present the same risk as any other male I might observe whose behaviour is sufficiently odd or non-normative that I would also cross the road to avoid them.

I did in my last post. You can look at the latest stats and numbers on the moj website.
As for more likely to be victims of violence thats a lie told by TRAs. No trans identifying persons has ever been murdered yet I can name 4 trans identifying murderers just in Scotland off the top of my head. When you look at all violent crimes stats per capita trans identifying males are the safest group of all.
The only stats that show trans identifying people as the most victimised are non crime hate incidents where they are self reporting things like being correctly sexed and these are the figures that TRA groups use to claim that they are the most victimised

There's anecdotal evidence that it does however as far as im aware nobody has ever studied it so nobody can accurately say if any apparant increase in violence is due to testosterone use or other potential factors hence its the old guessing game of causation vs correlation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheFarSide/comments/1bihzfj/how_nature_says_do_not_touch/

So… women face constant male intimidation by protesters every time they meet and yet women are then dismissed as having poor turn outs for their events….

Yeah.. ‘both sides’

https://x.com/mrmennotweets/status/2081048279240847863?s=46
Another sign for those who wish to believe that both sides are as bad as each other and that feminists are just as bad as the male people who demand that their subjective reality that is not reflective of material reality is treated as being materially real.
For those without twitter, Menno videoed this sign at Pride ‘90% of pigs in the UK are gassed to death, but terfs still exist’.
All because some feminists took organisations to court and got the laws around legitimate discrimination that the laws of the UK allowed clarified. And women had to do this because organisations such as stonewall had been telling the UK organisations who paid for advice, the interpretation of the law as they wanted it to be not as it was. Because also an extreme transgender rights activist was involved in writing the EHRC’s guidance for the EA 2010 the first time around.

But if they are saying they would never date one, surely they are excluding them (from
their potential dating pool) and therefore not treating them as actual women.

And where did you 'learn' this? Clown fish school?

Interesting observation, @Waheymum .

The transwomen i have met would themselves cross the road to avoid a men they perceived as dodgy/dodgy-looking. So i guess I may not cross the road to avoid a transwoman if I saw one out & about, because I would reckon they have the same fears as I.

Objections to this discussion - it’s on the FEMINISM AND GENDER board.
Go away boys.

Jolyon Maugham promoted ‘Bash Back’ claim that they have forced the EHRC into hiding.

I don’t think Bash Back are necessarily reresentative, but I also haven’t noticed any trans advocacy organisations saying ‘not in our name’.

I can absolutely appreciate that transwomen may have anxieties about being attacked in public, and certainly can't say this never happens. At best they will get sideways glances, at worst they may be verbally or physically attacked, though this is hopefully rare.

But it's also true that a proportion, I don't know what the proportion is, can also be threatening towards women and girls. I wouldn't feel threatened on a street, but I might in a changing room or toilet, where I don't expect men to be. Same as I would with any man in a space where I don't expect him to be and where society would generally expect him to be excluded and self-exclude from.

Not sure why you quoted me.

I don't think my post is saying Transwomen can not be threatening towards Women and girls.

And your trying to claim those alleged comments and statements are analogous with death and rape threats? Really
How about comparing TRAs reporting GC people (predominantly women) to their employers, regulators, college's and the police for stating facts and expressing their legally protected beliefs vs gc people doing the exact same to trans identifying people. Hint it almost all comes from the TRA side.

Then compare the number of death and rape threats coming from TRAs to GC women vs the number of GC women threatening to rape or murder trans identifying people. Hint it all comes from the TRAs.

Prison and crume statistics are one of the bases for all types of safeguarding, not just with trans identifying males

I was agreeing that they may have the same or similar fears as you.

What does a dodgy man look like? Tramp like, half naked and covered in tattoos, Hoody top half over his face, drunk, gesticulating and muttering. Not many trans women are like that.

Please quote some of this “violent” language we come out with on FWR @Lexibletheflexible- are we talking about literal violence or “literal violence”?

What in your opinion do most “trans women” look like? They don’t wear hoodies generally, no.

I'm not really getting the point of the thread.

The concerns people raise are not about transwomen walking about on the street. Nobody is trying to stop them going out in public!! (Although some will argue that is the case. But it's not, of course.)

I'd rate my chances of running away from a pissed homeless person, this chap sounds more of a risk to himself than passers by. Tho what have you got against tattoos?