UK radical feminists; what to do?

Yes,, I guess it's my voting history that precludes me from my rightful share of these far right riches everyone's apparently getting.

Is that the best you've got?

You know full well what you've written is not true.

Try harder.

Or don’t bother.

You called.

The AI didn't understand my beetle draped in a Scotland flag prompt. Sigh.

What a bizarre and prejudiced post from the OP, which I would consider xenophobic.

Since we're on the subject, it's worth quoting Judith Butler, the figure many would regard as emblematic of transwoman inclusive feminist theory, on so-called "gender-critical" British feminism:

"To be fair, some trans-exclusionary feminists call themselves 'gender-critical' feminists because, they claim, anti-trans politics is not at the center of their concerns. One of the main proponents of 'gender-critical' feminism, Holly Lawford-Smith, argues that sex, rather than trans identity, is at the center of her concern, for oppression on the basis of sex has always been the hallmark of what gender-critical feminists now call 'radical feminism,' understanding themselves as its contemporary incarnation."

I wouldn't recommend reading either but even Butler acknowledges that the British feminist tradition has its own distinct characteristics and is broadly left wing.

Unless, like the OP appears to, you think "different" automatically means "wrong," recognising that a tradition is distinct isn't controversial, it's simply descriptive.

😂😂😂

I'm sorry but that did make me laugh 🙂

Did you quote me by mistake? My post was not directed at you, I quoted Masha.

She did and apologised up thread but with no tag, so you may have missed it.

You try getting a load of drunk women to do Interpretative Dance!

EuroTerfs: Interpretative Dance at the Bluestocking Pub

CAST

Bavarian — exuberant, stompy, dramatic.

Frenchwoman — theatrical, over‑stylised elegance.

Irishwoman — three sheets to the wind, improvisational.

Dutchwoman — earnest, committed to the bit.

Polishwoman — rhythmic, expressive.

Ukrainian — bold, sweeping gestures.

Scottish‑Flag Beetle — tiny conductor of chaos, proud and patriotic.

SETTING

The Bluestocking Pub, late evening. Warm amber lights, fairy‑light strings, crowded tables filled exclusively with women. Wine bottles everywhere. A small stage with a speaker stack the beetle can climb.

SCENE

[Lights rise slightly. A tambourine rattles offstage.]

BAVARIAN (stepping forward, wobbling slightly) Ladies! Tonight… we interpret the human condition!

IRISHWOMAN (snorts with laughter) Aye, specifically the dramatic swooning variety.

FRENCHWOMAN (places hand to forehead, collapsing into a slow, exaggerated faint) I am overcome… by my own delicate constitution.

DANCE BEAT 1 — “THE FAINTING FITS”

DUTCHWOMAN (earnest, fanning herself with a beer mat) Oh! I cannot bear the weight… of existence!

POLISHWOMAN (joins her, staggering in slow motion) Life… is too… heavy.

UKRAINIAN (swoops in, catching both dramatically) Fear not! I shall rescue you from your… emotional collapse!

[They all fall to the floor in a heap, giggling uncontrollably.]

DANCE BEAT 2 — “THE HEROIC SIGH”

BAVARIAN (rising, puffing chest out) Observe! The mighty sigh of someone who has lifted… absolutely nothing!

[She inhales deeply, then releases a theatrical, trembling sigh. The others copy her, each more exaggerated than the last.]

IRISHWOMAN (pointing at a table of women) Look! They’re already choking on their wine.

DANCE BEAT 3 — “THE PEARL‑CLUTCHING WALTZ”

FRENCHWOMAN (grabbing imaginary pearls) Mon dieu! My sensibilities!

DUTCHWOMAN (whirling around her) Hold tight! They might escape!

POLISHWOMAN & UKRAINIAN (joining hands, spinning in a dizzy circle) Protect the pearls! Protect the pearls!

[They spin until they collapse again, breathless and laughing.]

ENTRANCE OF THE BEETLE

[The Scottish‑flag beetle climbs onto the speaker stack, waving a tiny claw.]

BEETLE (chittering rhythmically)Tap‑tap‑tap!

BAVARIAN (pointing) Our conductor has arrived!

IRISHWOMAN Aye, give us a beat, lass!

[The beetle taps out a jaunty rhythm. The tambourine joins in from offstage.]

DANCE BEAT 4 — “THE MOCK‑HEROIC MARCH”

UKRAINIAN (marching in place, knees high) Forward! Into the great unknown!

POLISHWOMAN (behind her, saluting dramatically) We march… for absolutely no reason!

DUTCHWOMAN (trying to keep time, wobbling) I’m marching! I think!

FRENCHWOMAN (doing a slow, exaggerated strut) I march… with style.

[They form a crooked line, marching toward the audience, then break into laughter.]

FINALE — “THE HUGS AND HICCUPS”

BAVARIAN (arms wide) Ladies! A final flourish!

[They attempt a coordinated spin. It fails spectacularly. They collapse into a pile of hugs, giggles, and mild hiccups.]

IRISHWOMAN (through laughter) Best interpretative dance we’ve ever done.

FRENCHWOMAN (raising her glass)To satire! To joy! To the Bluestocking!

ALL To the Bluestocking!

[The beetle takes a tiny bow].

I'm sorry I missed that completely!

@Helleofabore sorry about that.

I don't know all that much about EuroTerfery but one of the big differences between the UK and US is that in the UK the response to TRA over-reach started with leftwing women. They were way ahead of the game although it has become pretty much cross-party now.

For those of us with an interest in history here's a blast from the past - 2018 no less.
https://janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

I keep reading it as "What a to do", which makes it seem like the opening line of a musical hall song.

Thanks OP for reminding us how proud we in the UK should be right now. Unlike so many other nations who ushered in self ID we threw it out. One of the most disastrous acts where any man at the drop of a hat can declare himself a female for a few quid. Making an utter mockery of sex based rights. So man of these countries are having to review and amend their legislation as they come up against problem after problem. All problems we could foresee yet have taken these fools by surprise. Our laws are being tested again and again but thankfully gender realists and women's rights are winning the battles. Beautiful to be the envy of the world when it comes to gender politics.

I did quote you by mistake.

I agree with your post but I am sorry, my comment was for Flirts. I was acknowledging that while many of us can do the sock puppeting thing , who has the energy.

Sorry about attaching your post, it happened when I had a phone failure.

No worries at all.

No worries I should have scrolled back further before posting.

Its not the strangest thing that's been written on this weird thread 🤣🤪🤣

Gosh, look how polite everyone is when there's a misidentification!! How unlike etc...

"One of the main proponents of 'gender-critical' feminism, Holly Lawford-Smith, argues that sex, rather than trans identity, is at the center of her concern, for oppression on the basis of sex has always been the hallmark of what gender-critical feminists now call 'radical feminism,'"

So even Judith Butler has a stopped clock moment (albeit quoting someone else).

Yes. Feminism is about women. Our concerns. Our needs. Our rights. Otherwise it's not feminism.

How do people fail to understand this very simple point?

The far right don't really care about women's rights but, like Trump, see it as a wedge issue to make the democrats or the left look out of touch with ordinary people.

Yep, opportunists are gonna opportune.
Stupid to hand them the open goal.

I lived in Norway too. Their habit of getting completely naked when changing and showering for swimming has already highlighted how much dissent it causes when a man chooses to undress with them.

Women there also face possible imprisonment for speaking out on this topic. Perhaps that has skewed your understanding, OP.

Cause a sexist society was readily groomed.

That's a very interesting concept. Grooming can happen in many ways.
One way is for society to have become so liberal, develop such a soft underbelly morally as it strives to be kind, to not judge, that motivated actors find their way into positions of influence.
And they don't even have to try too hard, activists will put in the long hours, and useful idiots in polite society will wave their demands thru.
Look at Germany that birdbrains like Masha tout as having greater human rights than Britain in respect of trans.
A country that's legalized industrial grade prostitution and gender self ID.
The human rights of the women trampled underfoot don't even get a mention.

Women were hoodwinked. We were told we had to care for sad men, to include everyone. Men used shame, very successfully, to tell women it was selfish and mean to exclude them.

Women fell for it. Women are still falling for it.

In exchange, we were told we could be sexually liberated, not like those awful prudes. We could 'reclaim' our power by being promiscuous, and by dressing for the male gaze.

We are awarded the status of martyred saints, for the idiotic act of agreeing to destroy the category of 'woman' to admit men, thereby opening the gate to allow our aggressors and predators free reign to enter. Not only that, we agreed to shame other women, to join together to attack women, smear them, deride them, and insult them.

See this thread for examples:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5557242-cancellation-of-wrn-ni-event-at-feile-festival

See also: Amnesty International.

These are intelligent, well meaning, educated, feisty women, who have been sold the lie that the category of 'woman' can include men, and have no idea what the implications are.