UK radical feminists; what to do?

dehumanising & demonising rhetoric that encompasses vicious demeaning mocking of trans women that includes employing femininity shaming to do so.

That sounds awful and I do not condone it. However, 'mocking' doesn't sound quite as bad as holding up signs threatening to kill people or gloating about sending EHRC into hiding. I do think it's better when we all stick to rational argument.

Their insistence that gendered expressions are only socially imposed patriarchal stereotypes are not only insulting to trans women but women in general that points to internalised misogyny.

So you are saying anyone should be able to wear whatever they want (presumably within the bounds of decency). That is basic gender critical feminism, and I agree!

I fear that you have not been listening to gender critical feminists.

I agree all people should have privacy when they get undressed that's why I don't support open change rooms.

In my view, there's something creepy about those who insist women get undressed in front of strangers regardless of their sex.

There are refugee camps all over Europe.

Also areas of extreme poverty.

But maybe if you are still using phrases like 'third world' you need to catch up a bit on current affairs.

Is it like the rapey concept of penis phobia beloved by a certain poster?

That sounds awful and I do not condone it. However, 'mocking' doesn't sound quite as bad as holding up signs threatening to kill people or gloating about sending EHRC into hiding. I do think it's better when we all stick to rational argument.

Whataboutery.

So you are saying anyone should be able to wear whatever they want (presumably within the bounds of decency). That is basic gender critical feminism, and I agree!
I fear that you have not been listening to gender critical feminists.

GC's don't really believe that for one second. That they specifically target trans women for their vicious mockery when expressing femininity says it all. If the only problem is sharing single sex spaces with the opposite sex why the need to demean TW's appearance if males expressing femininity isn't a problem? And don't give me that shit its only because it doesn't make them a woman. GC's tell on themselves EVERY TIME by their framing which exposes the underlying problem: FEMININITY. They reserve exactly the same ire for women who engage in it by asserting they have been 'brainwashed'.

As in, 'some penises are softer and more feminine'?

Where exactly in Europe? And how are they housed? Migration facilities aren't the same as makeshift refugee camps.

What the ever-loving fuck are you actually talking about?

Nobody insists that anyone gets changed in open changing rooms. There is almost always additional provision for people who want to get changed privately, but cubicles take up space and for most people the lack of privacy is mitigated by making provision single sex.

For reasons repeatedly explained by KTS, there is a trade-off between safety and privacy in public spaces. Concerns about privacy can be mitigated by making spaces single sex.

My local pool (built 1920s) is never going to build a changing village for the simple reason that they don't have the space.

However, if you do think there should be more mixed sex spaces, then you should certainly campaign for that and gather data to make your case.

I’m a woman who most people would say was “feminine” in appearance. I’m not “shaming” women’s femininity because I don’t believe I have anything in common with “trans women” men. Men are not “feminine” whatever they wear, because they are male.

Yes, wasn’t it “docile” or some such nonsense?

GC's tell on themselves EVERY TIME by their framing which exposes the underlying problem: FEMININITY. They reserve exactly the same ire for women who engage in it by asserting they have been 'brainwashed'.

I'll have you know some of us are very beautiful ladies with nails and hair and shoes and everything.

And some of us are gender non conforming lesbians. Some of us are transmen. some of us are average looking women. Some of us are radfems, some of us are not particularly interested in calling ourselves feminist at all. Some of us are even men, and some of those men are straight.

Some of us are bisexual, many of us know trans identifying people. We come from all walks of life, all ages, and all backgrounds.

All of this is utterly fucking irrelevant.

It makes absolutely no fucken odds how someone chooses to dress. Single sex spaces are created by single sex exceptions in the Equality Act, which is based on 'woman' being a biological woman.

Gender identity, femininity, masculinity, lack thereof, has absolutely hee-haw to do with it.

For example:

https://reliefweb.int/report/france/safety-and-security-migrant-women-living-tents-france

It's true that France now has a policy of removing temporary structures so refugees are more likely to be dispersed.

I'm not sure what you are calling 'migration facilities', but are you thinking they are like hotels?

And even without refugees, we have plenty of homegrown homeless people in the UK. There are plenty of people living in extreme poverty.

In my view, there's something creepy about those who insist women get undressed in front of strangers regardless of their sex.

Colour me surprised. Mate, stop watching so much porn.

GC's don't really believe that for one second.

And are these GCs in the room with you now?

I know they begin with the same letter, but feminine and fetish really aren't synonymous 😄

If the only problem is sharing single sex spaces with the opposite sex why the need to demean TW's appearance if males expressing femininity isn't a problem?

Au contraire, I think many of us are of a vintage to have appreciated Bowie, and certainly the New Romantics.

Your ignorance about Europe knows no bounds. Hundreds of thousands of refugees enter Europe each year so there are refugee camps in Greece, Italy, Spain, France, Cyprus etc There are a total of nearly ten million refugees & asylum seekers in Europe

https://miir.gr/en/mapping-the-migrant-camps-in-europe/
https://www.rfberlin.com/cream-report/05-2026/

To say nothing of Prince.

I was slightly embarrassed for them. Then I remembered 'talking about things I have no knowledge about' is a feature, rather than a bug.

Indeed.

More study required.

"Refugee camps are not all the same. While they share the core purpose of providing emergency shelter and safety for displaced people, they vary drastically in size, structure, longevity, and living conditions. 1, 2, 3]

Key Differences Among Refugee Camps
Size and Population: Camps range drastically from small settlements housing a few thousand people to massive, city-like complexes. For example, Cox's Bazar in Bangladesh accommodates over 1 million Rohingya refugees, whereas smaller camps like Azraq in Jordan house around 36,000 to 54,000 residents. 1, 2, 3]
Permanence and Evolution: Some camps are erected rapidly as temporary emergency tents, while others have existed for decades. Long-standing camps often evolve into permanent urban-like neighborhoods with paved roads, permanent concrete structures, and thriving local markets. 1, , 4, 5]
Infrastructure and Economy: The availability of basic amenities varies widely. Advanced or supported camps may feature electricity, extensive schooling, and thousands of independent refugee-run businesses (such as in Jordan's Zaatari camp). Others remain isolated, barren, and heavily restricted with minimal resources (such as Azraq, where electricity is scarce). 1, 2, 3]
Legal Status and Administration: Management models differ depending on the host country and governing bodies. While most are overseen by national governments and the UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees), unique historical contexts—such as long-standing Palestinian residential areas managed by UNRWA—operate under entirely different, inheritable definitions of refugee status. 1, 2, 3]"

You gotta love (erm...) Gretel. Not only are GCs, specifically the British ones, colonial supremacist and effectively right wing inculcated culture warriors, injected with the toxin of Murdoch Dacre Trump Farage Musk, running narratives that are consistent with imperial aggression, and at the same time Victorian prudes, phobic with phalluses as Victorians were with the merest inch of flesh, piano and chair legs...and now rigorously enforcing beauty standards upon everyone.
Yep, this is all that's left after the enforced diktats that "men can become women, no debate" has been trashed, and cancel culture is over.
So, now that women after many years are speaking up, this is the new front, that GC British style is a Victorian sexusl hang up/British aggressive right wing colonial movement.
Completely not shared by any women in enlightened nations like France Portugal Spain Holland (definitely no empires here) and Germany (let's ignore two world wars) and Australia NZ Canada (absolutely treat their indigenous so progressively).