UK radical feminists; what to do?

And even without refugees, we have plenty of homegrown homeless people in the UK. There are plenty of people living in extreme poverty.

For example:

https://reliefweb.int/report/france/safety-and-security-migrant-women-living-tents-france

It's true that France now has a policy of removing temporary structures so refugees are more likely to be dispersed.

I'm not sure what you are calling 'migration facilities', but are you thinking they are like hotels?

It makes absolutely no fucken odds how someone chooses to dress. Single sex spaces are created by single sex exceptions in the Equality Act, which is based on 'woman' being a biological woman.

Gender identity, femininity, masculinity, lack thereof, has absolutely hee-haw to do with it.

GC's tell on themselves EVERY TIME by their framing which exposes the underlying problem: FEMININITY. They reserve exactly the same ire for women who engage in it by asserting they have been 'brainwashed'.

I'll have you know some of us are very beautiful ladies with nails and hair and shoes and everything.

And some of us are gender non conforming lesbians. Some of us are transmen. some of us are average looking women. Some of us are radfems, some of us are not particularly interested in calling ourselves feminist at all. Some of us are even men, and some of those men are straight.

Some of us are bisexual, many of us know trans identifying people. We come from all walks of life, all ages, and all backgrounds.

All of this is utterly fucking irrelevant.

Yes, wasn’t it “docile” or some such nonsense?

I’m a woman who most people would say was “feminine” in appearance. I’m not “shaming” women’s femininity because I don’t believe I have anything in common with “trans women” men. Men are not “feminine” whatever they wear, because they are male.

Nobody insists that anyone gets changed in open changing rooms. There is almost always additional provision for people who want to get changed privately, but cubicles take up space and for most people the lack of privacy is mitigated by making provision single sex.

For reasons repeatedly explained by KTS, there is a trade-off between safety and privacy in public spaces. Concerns about privacy can be mitigated by making spaces single sex.

My local pool (built 1920s) is never going to build a changing village for the simple reason that they don't have the space.

However, if you do think there should be more mixed sex spaces, then you should certainly campaign for that and gather data to make your case.

What the ever-loving fuck are you actually talking about?

Where exactly in Europe? And how are they housed? Migration facilities aren't the same as makeshift refugee camps.

As in, 'some penises are softer and more feminine'?

That sounds awful and I do not condone it. However, 'mocking' doesn't sound quite as bad as holding up signs threatening to kill people or gloating about sending EHRC into hiding. I do think it's better when we all stick to rational argument.

Whataboutery.

So you are saying anyone should be able to wear whatever they want (presumably within the bounds of decency). That is basic gender critical feminism, and I agree!
I fear that you have not been listening to gender critical feminists.

GC's don't really believe that for one second. That they specifically target trans women for their vicious mockery when expressing femininity says it all. If the only problem is sharing single sex spaces with the opposite sex why the need to demean TW's appearance if males expressing femininity isn't a problem? And don't give me that shit its only because it doesn't make them a woman. GC's tell on themselves EVERY TIME by their framing which exposes the underlying problem: FEMININITY. They reserve exactly the same ire for women who engage in it by asserting they have been 'brainwashed'.

Is it like the rapey concept of penis phobia beloved by a certain poster?

There are refugee camps all over Europe.

Also areas of extreme poverty.

But maybe if you are still using phrases like 'third world' you need to catch up a bit on current affairs.

I agree all people should have privacy when they get undressed that's why I don't support open change rooms.

In my view, there's something creepy about those who insist women get undressed in front of strangers regardless of their sex.

dehumanising & demonising rhetoric that encompasses vicious demeaning mocking of trans women that includes employing femininity shaming to do so.

That sounds awful and I do not condone it. However, 'mocking' doesn't sound quite as bad as holding up signs threatening to kill people or gloating about sending EHRC into hiding. I do think it's better when we all stick to rational argument.

Their insistence that gendered expressions are only socially imposed patriarchal stereotypes are not only insulting to trans women but women in general that points to internalised misogyny.

So you are saying anyone should be able to wear whatever they want (presumably within the bounds of decency). That is basic gender critical feminism, and I agree!

I fear that you have not been listening to gender critical feminists.

And yet

"The bottom line is that school safety can’t be achieved without attention to safe drinking water and private toilets at school. WASH is no silver bullet. But women and girls have specific biological and cultural needs where toilets are concerned. It’s long past time for the women’s rights community to make toilets a priority." (my emphasis)

From "How Toilets Can Make Schools Safer". We've firmly established that Amnesty are all over the place on this.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/blog/how-toilets-can-make-schools-safer/

That poster talks a lot about mocking transwomen, talking about their clothes, criticising their hairdos. I imagine it's along those lines. The nonsense of a 6 foot unit pretending they're a woman because they're wearing a curly wig.

'Don't shame my femininity'.

Like Israel? 😂

Rich countries aren't exactly known for refugee camps & on the rare occasion they exist the 'punishment' is part of the plan.

I assumed it meant calling out the non passers. Or practically all of them, despite what they think.

What in the ever loving fuck is 'femininity shaming'?

And once you have made that argument, you still have the hurdle of explaining why people should not have privacy from the opposite sex when they are undressed, which is the actual route of the legislation that enables single sex toilets.

As already mentioned upthread repeatedly British GC's are doing much more than advocating for single sex spaces but engage in dehumanising & demonising rhetoric that encompasses vicious demeaning mocking of trans women that includes employing femininity shaming to do so.

Their insistence that gendered expressions are only socially imposed patriarchal stereotypes are not only insulting to trans women but women in general that points to internalised misogyny.

That I need to explain this proves my point.

If you mean 'low income' when you say 'third world', plenty of rich countries have areas that aren't 'known for law & order' (and there are plenty of refugee camps in richer countries).

You will need to be more specific in your explanation of why KTS's example isn't relevant.

Its a false equivalence. Refugee camps in third world countries aren't known for law & order so violence is a significantly bigger risk hence its important to keep men & women separated.

Amnesty aren't referring to the exclusion of trans people. If they were they wouldn't just be referring to refugee camps but broadly. In fact Amnesty Policy is to support trans inclusion in toilets.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/12/growing-transphobia-and-authoritarianism-go-hand-in-hand-they-must-be-resisted/

What is the relevance of femininity shaming? (and what is femininity shaming?)

I thought the OP was making the case that the British are more likely to value single sex spaces, compared to other countries where e.g. mixed sex saunas are more common.

I don't know whether that is true, but that is an argument about mixed and single sex provision.

If anything The UK is more accepting of gender nonconformity than other countries, hence 'gender critical feminists' and scepticism about identifying with gender roles.