UK radical feminists; what to do?

This isn't an issue in Australia purely because its not Australian's women's experience to be 'harmed' by trans women in public toilets….let alone even notice them there.

Have the Australian people ever been consulted? No it's been forced upon them. Is it any wonder women are reluctant to express their objections when they risk committing a crime just by stating the truth? Risking their jobs and reputation.

Grounding would be great, I'm only here right now because I'm procrastinating before doing some work that bores me to tears but needs to be completed by this evening. Could my wifi also be turned off?

A period when your ancestors were still British and living in Britain.

The difference being its not something that was maintained in Australia. Australia's history was & is one of egalitarianism hence our rapacious desire to cut off the heads of tall poppies.

And yet, it is you who are the white settlers in a foreign land.

Um, I was born here & had no choice in the matter just like the prisoner population that Britain forcibly dumped here & enslavened.

What a woman is in the eye of the beholder. Its not the objective truth you think it is or belief that you can impose on others.

And this is the crux of the matter. Fascist cultures can't accept individuality & so they will perform all manner mental gymnastics to enforce their my way or the high way mentality.

Don't you dare think you can pull that right wing scape goating here & think you can get away with it.

Ignoring the right wing bollocks in this sentence, I have to ask what are you going to do? Send @Igneococcus to bed without her supper and ground her for a week?

What a woman is in the eye of the beholder. Its not the objective truth you think it is or belief that you can impose on others.

And this is the crux of the matter. Fascist cultures can't accept individuality & so they will perform all manner mental gymnastics to enforce their my way or the high way mentality.

The context is Australia & pretending an individual is representative of the whole & therefore they must be treated as such is certainly a no no here.

Don't you dare think you can pull that right wing scape goating here & think you can get away with it.

What harm's do men identify as women come to that needs to be balanced out by denying women their same sex spaces. Why do women have to bare the brunt of this rebalancing why can't those who are doing the harming be made to change their behaviours.

Harm/rights balancing or proportionality is a general rule that doesn't just apply to women. In fact many women would argue that the harm of being scrutinised & harassed for not appearing feminine enough is not worth the exclusion of trans women.

Do Aus lesbian's care that they have to accept male bodies into their dating pool, and validate them as lesbian's. Because if man says he's a woman he is, just like that, and if said lady man fancies women, then he's also a lesbian, just like that. Not that anyone's imposing this view on them of course, heaven forbid no, that's colonialism.

Lesbians like most groups aren't an ideological monolith with many supporting trans women inclusion to their spaces & its not as if they are forced to date them.

equalityaustralia.org.au/reject-trans-exclusion/

This isn't an issue in Australia purely because its not Australian's women's experience to be 'harmed' by trans women in public toilets….let alone even notice them there.

Have the Australian people ever been consulted? No it's been forced upon them. Is it any wonder women are reluctant to express their objections when they risk committing a crime just by stating the truth? Risking their jobs and reputation.

So why do we have female anythings at all?

That is the question you were asked.

You aren't listening. Harm has to be balanced & specific to how the prevailing culture views harm. Just because there maybe 'potential harms' or odd occasions of harm sharing public toilets with trans women the pros & cons still need to be balanced. And harm to natal women in terms of increased scrutiny & harassment is one of those harms that many women would consider more important than 'dignity'. In fact many would argue there is no dignity in othering people for self invented 'preciousness'/dignity. We don't tend to indulge ourselves with the same 'airs & graces' as across the pond over here.

This isn't an issue in Australia purely because its not Australian's women's experience to be 'harmed' by trans women in public toilets….let alone even notice them there.

This is simply a manufactured issue that is being imposed rather than a grass roots concern.

Sal Grover has been all over the media with her attempts of this issue gaining traction all to no avail for a reason: Australian women don't care.

The context is Australia & pretending an individual is representative of the whole & therefore they must be treated as such is certainly a no no here.

Don't you dare think you can pull that right wing scape goating here & think you can get away with it.

It must be tricky sometimes to keep all your socks tidy. I couldn’t be bothered, I’ve never been very domesticated.

Well that is blatantly untrue, google Katie Dolatowski for example.
I still want to know why you supposed feminists twist yourselves into argumentative pretzels just to give men what they demand? Why?

There's no test or qualification because it's not an issue of concern & has never been. To exclude people you kind of need there to be an actual problem that bothers people which isn't the case here. In fact this 'concern' has only been in the media from anti trans activists in the very recent times for only a few years which points to a manufactured issue rather than a real one.

There's no test or qualification because it's not an issue of concern & has never been. To exclude people you kind of need there to be an actual problem that bothers people which isn't the case here. In fact this 'concern' has only been in the media from anti trans activists in the very recent times for only a few years which points to a manufactured issue rather than a real one.

There's no test or qualification because it's not an issue of concern & has never been. To exclude people you kind of need there to be an actual problem that bothers people which isn't the case here. In fact this 'concern' has only been in the media from anti trans activists in the very recent times for only a few years which points to a manufactured issue rather than a real one.

I may be being extremely thick here, but could @Gretel346 just simply explain for me why we have separate facilities for men and women at all, and why in that case a subset of male sex people should be allowed in to female facilities when other male sex people are excluded?
How can someone saying 'I'm a transwoman' suddenly mean they qualify and how do you prevent those men with nefarious intent using that phrase to gain access? What would be the objective test?

“quickly using a locked cubicle in a busy public environment”

Not everything a female person using a toilet facility does is quick or is behind a locked cubicle door. Toilets need to be useable for all purposes that female people use them, not just for some who don’t have the wider range of needs.

Harm has to be balanced & specific to how the prevailing culture views harm

What harm's do men identify as women come to that needs to be balanced out by denying women their same sex spaces. Why do women have to bare the brunt of this rebalancing why can't those who are doing the harming be made to change their behaviours.

Do Aus lesbian's care that they have to accept male bodies into their dating pool, and validate them as lesbian's. Because if man says he's a woman he is, just like that, and if said lady man fancies women, then he's also a lesbian, just like that. Not that anyone's imposing this view on them of course, heaven forbid no, that's colonialism.
Using Wikipedia to back up your claims means your claims are baseless.

If you can't tell the OBVIOUS difference in risk between quickly using a locked cubicle in a busy public environment or a dumb app to sharing an unsupervised room alone overnight while being in a state of recovery, 'explaining' basic logic till you are blue in the face won't help.