UK radical feminists; what to do?

Lol. I have quoted Amnesty, a court report, and academic reports on cardiac arrests and pathogens in toilets. I can quote the Guardian and Mirror (two more left wing publications over here) on toilets and voyeurism if you like. Facts, coroners reports, data, court reports, statistics, legislation, regulations is what I use in my research. I have collated more on toilet incidents than you’ve had barbecues. You may be shocked to learn your views don’t align with the Communist Party over here too.

But I don’t care about anyone’s politics. I care about the reality of safe toilet design. I will also listen to everyone’s views to see if they can come up with anything novel that no one else has come up with. Things that have been tried with mixed sex designs: weighted floors (doors won’t close if it’s too heavy signifying 2 users - no good for parents and children and fat shaming), glass walls (men masturbate), alarms that respond to ‘help me’ ‘stop it’ (too expensive and difficult to respond to, misused, mistaken for visual cameras, people don’t like automatic sound surveillance, people afraid to fart in case it sets off the alarm). If you think you can beat everyone else in the world at creating a safe mixed sex public toilet, tell me your ideas. The nearest is the Portland Toilet in America which I wouldn’t fancy using unless desperate because of voyeurism.

Here’s some toilet humour to brighten your night in Australia:

Oh look an actual Australian who doesn't have the same opinion as you @Gretel346

On Australia’s change to 50% mixed sex toilets:
One builder told The Telegraph that the “bloody pointless” change “is the last thing this industry needs”.
“We’re trying to keep things simple, cheap, and functional and some clown from Canberra comes in with feel-good rubbish like this,” he said."

I suppose when you downunder left is right and right is left, which explains why Gretel doesn't recognise which side the fascism is coming from. Hint it's the side your shilling for.

Do you think it's fair that the fastest women's time in ParkRun, Aus is held by a male.

@Gretel346 You never did answer my question as to why we have separate facilities / events for men and women in the first place?

We are okay as anonymous posters on here, I really do feel for the women and children who may encounter these aggressive, women-hating men in real life.

Someone has to lift standards.

bad faith 😂

why are you here if it is so awful

Giving yourself an uppercut is common Australian jokey saying. Its not literal but by all means go ahead & take it out of context like everything else to get a cheap clap from the peanut gallery.

Honestly, the bad faith on this forum is world class & why wouldn't it be if they have no argument other than 'because I said so'.

While you're here, @Keeptoiletssafe, I have a UK-based question. I know your info on single sex toilet design includes a specified maximum size for the top and bottom of door gaps, but I don't remember seeing a minimum. Is there one?

I've been spending a lot of time in motorway service stations the past few weeks, and it occurred to me that many of them now have much smaller gaps than they used to - not really enough to fulfil most of the functions that they should. They prevent the damp corner problem and let sound through, but give minimal ventilation and no meaningful visibility if someone collapses.

News 24 formerly Sky News owned by Rupert Murdoch who is a notorious right wing propagandist & uses all his news outlets accordingly including many major news publications in Australia, The UK & USA that are responsible for ushering in oppressive right wing governments globally is an indisputable fact.

You know about his fox network in the US who was sued for nearly a billion dollars for pushing the stolen election lie? Or the disgraceful phone tapping scam in the UK?

That you are attempting to use some random poll from a notorious political propaganda outlet as evidence proof of trans sentiment rather than any concrete broad activism is not only laughable but truly unconscionable.

When and how do transwomen present harm to women?

So transwomen are harmful in such spaces but not public toilets?

In answer to the question 'UK radical feminists; what to do?' I say that we let out a huge cheer for them. Thank goodness for them and their tenacity and courage in the face of a male sexual rights movement that is extremely damaging to women and girls and children in general. Thanks to them the UK is turning back the tide, one court case at a time. So here's to them, long may they (we) prevail.

That innate maleness is never too far from the surface.

Yeah, you're probably right. It certainly makes for a great Operation Let Them Speak.

The seething rage and woman-hatred is unfortunately never far from the surface.

As usual, I hope my research and logical arguments will at least inform other readers of my mission for safer designs of toilets for everyone. Particularly women, children and anyone medically vulnerable.

Possible, Seethlaw, but it's surprising how often these people do things that they just don't realise are beyond the pale. Because they are caught in the grip of an emotional psychodrama.

Yeah, that surprised me. It's like they are doing their best to make TRAs look bad. Is it some kind of secret terf psy-op?

This shifts agency from the male threatening to transgress women's boundaries (men accessing women's services is illegal, as per the Equality Act) to the imagined 'police'. And attempts to shame link to 'body shaming' etc.

Once again, it's just the 'I'll do it, you can't stop me'.

It's the exact same as Laurie Penney advising a woman that if a man masturbates in front of her child, her child should avert her eyes.

Wishing violence on women. How on brand.

You are very quick to dismiss the common concerns of the world’s women. Linking it up to right wingers is lazy. Employ some critical thinking skills and at least read the links.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/serving-all-users-half-of-new-public-toilets-in-australia-could-become-gender-neutral/news-story/337269c9fe455cc1433589a1591b2e6f?amp

I really hope the above doesn’t happen to Australian toilets. It will be an expensive mistake like it has been in schools who have done it over here.

No it doesn’t “reduce women to the male gaze”.

”Body policing loos” recognises the reality that male people statistically present a threat to the safety of female people. Not to mention the privacy and dignity of female people.

How can you wilfully not understand the reality of lived female experience?

Surveys of women tell you what you need to know about this. The majority of women don’t want shared loos.

You seem incapable of hearing us.

Nobody wants to body police loos.

It is men insisting on using women's loos (illegally in this country) who are raising the prospect of that being a necessity. If you simply agreed to abide by the law there would be no need for body policing.

So a very long, considered post by @Keeptoiletssafe, with links/evidence, is dismissed by @Gretel346 with this vacuous response:

All this & nary a whisper of grass roots activism? Election issue? Nada.
I guess 'News 24' AKA The Daily Rupert attempting to shed its SKY image of being a right wing propaganda arm might be gilding the lily as per usual.

If you can't reply acknowledging someone else's contribution, then what's the point of you being here?

Oh, I know - a man wanting to be in a women's space. Again.

And it doesn't by body policing loos?

Give yourself an upper cut.