UK radical feminists; what to do?

Of course it is.

It's possible it's one or a group of the scrapy tech-ish boys looking to do one or more of: getting us to say enough to train an LLM to find a killer argument that undermines GC feminism once and for all (not gonna happen, because female people do, annoyingly, continue to exist and that cannot be handwaved away); get us to say enough to identify us IRL (could happen, I have my strategy ready - so much so that a part of me thinks Bring It On); or categorise what we say on a made-up scale of hateyness so he can go to some sort of quango and "prove" MN is a hotbed of hate because I hAvE nUmBeRs!!! (pretty sure that is already happening, but again as soon as anyone looks at the Scale Of Objective Hateyness and finds it basically boils down to "those witches said female people matter as well!" the whole thing becomes a farce, looking at you Amnesty)

Still, every time we go round the groundhog day loop again, it is an opportunity to expose the lack of coherent thought behind the demands and the total failure to recognise or respect that female people are more than just background scenery, so he's really doing us a favour.

It's a frankly bizarre scenario where they want to be us, but can't, so hate us.

An exercise in futility really.

The misogyny from these men fairly drips off the bloody page, doesn't it.

I'm very grateful to, and impressed by, all the women (and men), refuting the points one by one.

The mansplaining is so fucking tedious, all power to you guys who address it.

I did see recently a 'goths against cancel culture' or something similar facebook group that was incredibly TERFy. Well done to them I say.

But then again I am high on iced coffee and a walnut and coffee cake sugar high right now so maybe I dreamt it.

Nonsense. Woman is the word in the English language for an adult member of the female reproductive sex class. Always has been and always will be. I find it extraordinary that you prioritise the restrictive and damaging stereotypes of behaviour and presentation known as gender. How regressive. 🙄 We are sexed bodies. Everything else is personality.

Are you ok? You seem very invested in hatred for women.

I’m convinced it’s the same poster across multiple threads using different names. Most likely a young male that identifies as female. It’s the same sarcastic, mocking and attention seeking tone in responses that side step any substantive issues and def never to the challenging questions.

Edited to add: men really hate being told no and handmaidens really hate having their subservience pointed out to them.

So, if you are a British trans woman, you would do yourself a great favour if you moved to mainland Europe. You will be welcomed and cherished (for the most part).

What part won’t be welcomed and cherished?

Um, I was born here & had no choice in the matter just like the prisoner population that Britain forcibly dumped here & enslavened.

Are you going to blame colonialism for Australians overwhelmingly rejecting a plan in 2023 to give greater political rights to Indigenous people in a referendum?

Accusing women of "Phallophobia" seems very close the mindset that used to call women "frigid" for not entertaining the advances of men they weren't interested in, doesn't it?

Thank you - I had to google that: "Left-Wing, Anarchist, and Single-Issue Terrorism"

I'm reminded of an article in the Times where the author demands investigation of the extreme transactivist group Bash Back and their terrorist behaviour. This was a powerful reminder of what women are all too aware of - that the male led campaigns against women upholding women's rights and the need to safeguard children have faced increasing threats of violence from unhinged transactivists:

"political violence does not begin with an assault but with the creation of an atmosphere in which intimidation is normalised, opponents are dehumanised and supporters are encouraged to believe that extreme measures are justified”.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/proscribe-militant-trans-group-bash-back-ex-political-violence-tsar-l9t757tjn

https://archive.ph/hEN36

If the general public in Australia were polled as to whether sex is more significant than gender stereotypes, I'm quite sure the results would mirror those in the UK where the vast majority think that way. Your quasi-academic jargon would be laughed out of court by the man and woman in the street.

Rupert Murdoch, for instance.

And yet, very weirdly, they like to insult women they don't approve by saying they look like transwomen.
Sophie Cunningham being the latest one I have seen.

ps. Directive has come down: long posts that have been quoted will be truncated with "show more/show less." Long posts will not.

All Hail MNHQ. Etc. Etc.

As you were...

@RealRoseCritic Faika El-Nagashi an Austrian politician (ex Green Party) has a substack and podcast collating stories of silenced gender critical voices across Europe. Your analysis is lacking half the evidence.

open.substack.com/pub/faikaelnagashi/p/on-the-record-the-stories-europe?r=27xtyb&utm_medium=ios

There's a poster on another thread at the moment whose style I’m finding very difficult to reconcile with their previous posts. Vastly different in tone and content.

I thought there was one, but can't find it now.

If we’re not allowed a laugh emoji perhaps MN could consider letting us have a boak one.

Incel falls under the LASIT type of extremism.

Calling women “phallophobic” because they recognise sex is not an argument; it is a sexualised insult used to dismiss female boundaries.

Safeguarding does consider potential harm, but risk is not assessed by pretending sex is irrelevant. Sex is one of the most basic population-level risk factors for sexual and violent offending. Rules for intimate spaces cannot depend on officials somehow identifying in advance which individual male will offend, because nobody can reliably do that.

Female-only provision is not merely about visible anatomy or a belief that every male is dangerous. It protects privacy, dignity and trauma-informed boundaries, and it gives women a clear rule that does not require them to negotiate each male person’s claimed identity or predicted intentions.

A trans woman is male. Medical treatment or presentation may alter appearance, but it does not move someone into the female sex or erase the male risk category.

Potential harm therefore supports sex-based boundaries; it does not make sex disappear. Women are entitled to say no without being diagnosed with a “phobia”.

Goths are probably transphobic by now. Shame.

You know what I miss?

Goths.

People could dress up; be miserable, oppressed, and misunderstood; and write long screens of self absorbed nonsense (in the form of poetry that never saw the light of day) - all without causing any bother to others beyond the odd cloud of hairspray.

I say bring back goths. Or emos. Much more fun than this nonsense.

You are right about one narrow point: in May 2026 the Full Federal Court upheld that excluding Tickle from Giggle was unlawful gender-identity discrimination, and Giggle’s special-measure argument failed. That tells us how the Australian Sex Discrimination Act currently applies to that service. It does not tell us that Tickle changed sex, or that the law is beyond criticism.

The race analogy is false. Race has no bearing on bodily privacy, reproductive needs, physical performance or the trauma of female victims of male violence. Sex sometimes does—which is exactly why Australian law retains sex-specific exceptions and exemptions.

Nor does maintaining sex-based toilets require routine inspection of women’s bodies. Rules are routinely enforced when relevant facts become known; imperfect or selective enforcement does not abolish the underlying category.

The real issue is whether gender-identity protections should override women’s freedom to associate as females. The court answered the statutory question under current Australian law. Women remain entitled to argue that the law has struck the balance wrongly. Trans women are male; legislation can regulate treatment, but it cannot alter that fact.

As a general point about online extremist behaviour, it's always interesting to see that pathway driven by extreme misogyny and grievance based beliefs, ending up as a full on incel.

Women do need to take seriously that when we see spitting, seething contempt and fury aimed groups of women, it's worth considering how far along the path to being incels some people might be?

There's growing evidence about this being a significant problem for society with certain groups of men.

https://safeguarding.network/content/responding-to-the-incel-ideology