UK radical feminists; what to do?

I had assumed Gretel was a bloke because of the repeated posts about penis phobia.

I could be wrong.

Is Gretel a bloke?

Yeah, I'm sure that wasn't lost on most people.

It's quite eye-opening watching a man who thoroughly dislikes women but still wants to access their spaces, try and justify it.

The misogyny drips off the page, the self justification hits the stratosphere, and, certainly to me, the absolute rage that women might mock, is fairly scary.

I know the saying is that men are afraid women will laugh at them, while women are afraid men will kill them. But time after time, it's proven true.

edited to add I wonder if men mocking men feels worse to those men than women doing it. Somehow I don't think it does.

I also noticed that our male poster from Aus reacted the most to posts from another male, weird that. 🤔

And intelligent!

Very clean animals, too, contrary to common perceptions.

Pigs are actually lovely, you just don't want to fall over in the pen.

I suppose strength in numbers?

I reckon I would win at pig wrestling.

Oh I don't know, I quite enjoy a bit of pig wrestling, it exercises the leetle grey cells. 🤣

... and I say that in all seriousness because @SingleSexSpacesInSchools has made several excellent arguments and rebuttals, all of which are being ignored and/or ridiculed.

So ridicule it is ...

I think also Gretel has missed the definition of phobia.

I think "Gretel" has missed the point of much stuff.

No point arguing with them. Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.

Gretel are you aware that in the UK there is a case of a woman on a hospital ward being raped by a trans person and being lied to for a whole year by the hospital that there were no men on the ward?

And now you are aware of that, if you weren't before, can you understand why every woman in a vulnerable state in hospital, or who might ever be that woman, might now be very much against a mixed sex ward?

And why you cannot "balance the harm" to one male bodied person of being placed on a male ward against the fear of a huge proportion of all the women in the country who may at some point be admitted to hospital if we can't be assured of female only spaces.

I think also Gretel has missed the definition of phobia.

Phobia is an irrational, illogical fear.

The vast majority of violent and sexual offences are committed by people with a penis (with a striking proportion of very late onset male to female in that group).

There is nothing irrational or illogical about women being afraid of people with a penis.

I think Shakespeare had it right.

It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

Or, bilge, in other words.

Well, the accusation of 'penis phobia' is actually very helpful. Thanks, Gretel.

I think if we could share this idea with the wider world it may help clarify issues.

Maybe politicians need to be asked whether they think women should be forced to overcome their penis phobia in confined spaces with strange men.

@Gretel346

I would read your diatribes in more detail but I simply can't get past the fact that you are writing preaching about rights from a country which has fined a woman a huge amount of money for preventing a male bodied person from joining a group designed to introduce female bodied people to other female bodied people who are sexually attracted to female bodies.

Your country denies the right to be same sex attracted and you approve of that.

The problem for Gretel and men like him is that British women understand his motivations very well. And we don't care.

We don't care if he calls us old or ugly or bangs on about his willy.

We know that most people understand why women need single sex spaces.

And we also know that every time a man breenges into a women's spaces waving his willy around and flinging insults at women who protest, it only helps illustrate the problems women are talking about.

Men like Gretel and the OP are very helpful for anyone looking into the subject, because they give an object lesson into the issues.

It may amuse these men for a short time; ultimately, it helps women spell out the issues.

As I regularly say a phobia is an intense irrational fear of something.

Women and girls have every right to fear men and their violence that they often pair with their penises.

It isn't a phobia it is a rational response to male behaviour as we do not know where and when a man can strike.

Penis phobia is a weird accusation on a site full of mothers.

This idea of 'penis phobia' again.

It's rapey to suggest women must 'set aside' their preference to avoid strange men's penises.

Women have the right to avoid penises if they choose. In fact, consent should be a matter of active choice for women. Otherwise its rapey.

But you know that.

These comments about penis phobia reveal the nasty, rapey intent underlying your posts.

Transvestic Fetishism is a paraphilia. A diagnosis of such is checked for when a man presents as a cross dresser or 'trans'.

Busy day in Australia, I see.

I suppose that's the crux of the matter. Gretel thinks that it's reasonable to feel harmed if you're a trans identifying man who is refused service as a woman.

I think it's entirely unreasonable, that the trans identifying man's problem is based in a gross falsehood, it's his alone to deal with, and society should have no truck with it whatsoever.

Every other difference seems to flow from those things.