UK radical feminists; what to do?

OK. I believe non binary is just the new term for bisexual, so for me they aren't in conflict. I get your point though.

A 'cis woman' identifies as a woman, a non-binary person doesn't. I'm intrigued to discover how you believe they are not in conflict though. Feel free to explain your thinking.

Non binary and cis woman are not in conflict.

Yep. They were also originally a 'cis woman' but have become non-binary in the space of less than 6 months. They appear to be either a fantasist or a good example of contagion.

And yet originally, they didn't have a trans child. They had trans people in their 'extended family'.

attacking trans people for everything they do (appearing on TV, accessing care, wearing clothes, taking selfies) isn't leftist,

For the record, I would like to make it absolutely clear that I'm very much in favour of trans people wearing clothes. The more the better. Also of everyone having access to sound, evidence-based healthcare. I don't care who takes selfies as long as they don't infringe my privacy when doing so or bore me by expecting me to look at them.

She has written extensively on other threads about how her daughter decided she was a boy. Her own bisexuality and masculine presentation, and not wanting a girlie daughter is a very big, and illuminating, part of it all. She doesn't herself recognise her part in creating body dysmorphia in her daughter. I think she is genuine and very conflicted and troubled. She fights for her child's rights partly as a displacement activity.

“We need better consent teaching.”

Yes. Because consent also includes female athletes having their consent respected.

In fact, that includes every single female person who doesn’t consent to a male person accessing any female single sex provision.

“And above all, it's not feminist to pretend that there's a "social contract" preventing violent cis men attacking us wherever they want in public spaces.”

Therefore, maybe those claiming that male people have to use female single sex provisions for their safety should stop with that claim.

I would like to take this opportunity to mention that i discovered just yesterday that Marguerite Stern wrote a book about how she moved from the far left (she was a Femen at one point) to the right, precisely when she stopped being blinkered by idealism and faced the facts of how things actually are.

All that said, I myself am still a leftist, though most definitely not a far-left one!

It is not leftist or feminist to call a young brown Muslim woman a man who likes punching women. I saw so many GCs quote Reduxx in defence of them doing this.

Imane Khelif has specifically spoken out to say that they are not trans and that calling them so is insulting to them. Why do you keep on doing it?

It isn't leftist to claim that trans women taking photos of themselves in short skirts is "womanface" or evidence of perversion.

The short skirts are not the problem. The penises very visibly in erection under them are.

It isn't leftist to make horrific comments about the breasts, genitalia or reproductive systems of trans men.

Why? It's the truth, and leftists should be able to face the truth as much as anyone else.

Or to invent ableist conspiracy theories about autism, mental illness and physical disability.

No need to invent anything when the facts are there, collected into statistics.

It's not leftist to mock trans people's appearance, object when they have jobs, or claim that they're fetishists.

Would you argue that even the self-proclaimed fetishists are not fetishists? Do you know them better than they know themselves?

It's not leftist to treat individuals from a minority as representative of the whole.

Good thing we don't do that, then? We have no problem saying that there are multitudes among trans people.

It's not leftist to deny minority people their individuality, full stop.

When do we supposedly do that?

Or question why they exist, or where they came from - or to hope they will one day be gone.

Again, why are you so afraid of facing the facts? And don't you wish that no more kids ever go through the heartache you child did and does? I certainly do! I hope science figures out what's up with trans, and nobody ever need to hurt their body anymore.

And above all, it's not feminist to pretend that there's a "social contract" preventing violent cis men attacking us wherever they want in public spaces.

Then why don't we see men entering women's spaces willy-nilly? Why do they restrain themselves at all?

Or to pretend that anything other than strength in numbers prevents women being assaulted in so-called 'safe spaces'.

Whar safe spaces???

Blaming trans women for cis male violence plays into the hands of the far right.

I don't care. The truth is the truth is the truth. The facts are the facts are the facts. I will NOT dismiss a fact because the right happens to agree with me on it. I will NOT lie about the truth because the right happens to be right about it. This would be madness.

Transphobia is a protection racket which forces gender conformity on cis women while doing absolutely nothing for our safety.

The only ones forcing gender conformity on anyone are the TRAs. Now people who don't look sex-typical are getting asked if they are trans, instead of being assumed to simply be part of life's variety in appearances.

We need better consent teaching. Proper rape justice. An addressing of rape culture. And we get: toilet vigilantism, with a warning not to look too male or we'll be hurt too. What a surprise

Put the blame where it belongs: on the TRAs who created the situation in the first place.

I didn’t see an answer to my question @TransParentlyAnnoyed about whether you support male people punching female people in the face?

Do you or don’t you?

There really isn’t anything more complicated than that. If a female person has been gaslighted and told the male person punching her in the face is ‘female’ when he is not, she has not consented to being punched in the face by a male person.

You either understand consent or you don’t .

but genderists don't care about sex do they? they sometimes conveniently care about chromosomes when they want to bring up intersex people as some kind of gotcha, but it's all about ~feelings~ to them. khalif is a woman cause he says is to these people, isn't he?

I don't believe for a second that this poster is a parent. The posting style is petulant, snippy, and smacks of sixth former self importance. It's like texting with a teenager.
More likely a TIM who is has invented a scenario to prop up and legitimise their own situation.
Grim.

Somewhere there is a woman, no doubt just as "brown" and "Muslim" as Imane Khelif, who didn't get to represent her country at boxing because a man was chosen instead.
That wasn't very "leftist". Mind you, I wouldn't exactly call it rightist either. It was just plain unfair and dishonest.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed So why didn't Khalif appeal his failed sex test to the Court of Sports Arbitration as was his right? Was it because the tests would then become public record? And you do know a French journalist leaked the tests? And why hasn't he taken a cheek swab test to continue to compete as every other female boxer has done?
Do we need to write the answer in large crayon letters for you?

I highly doubt Khelif does, for one.

We absolutely need better consent teaching. We need your male friends to understand that the majority of women and girls don’t consent to their presence in our spaces, and we need you to understand that other women can’t consent on our behalf.

@GarlicAnywhere good point well made out

Such a pity OP's abandoned their thread, as I remain ever-curious about this:

Scandinavian feminism is focused mostly on fair share of care and chores, German feminism focuses mostly on equal pay, Kita for everyone and the like, Polish feminism is mostly about access to abortion, Czech feminism is mostly about equal pay and safety from domestic violence

How do these more enlightened, progressive feminists define & identify the women being tasked with most of the chores and not getting abortions? Which women aren't being paid equally, and equally to whom? You're suggesting they have no appropriate language to classify the groups, surely. When arguing for safety in a domestic setting, can they name the characteristic most often associated with abusers?

It's a massive logic fail. Can't deal with sexism if you won't acknowledge sex.
Thus, you can't do feminism.

Holy fuck it’s raining outside. <Rushes out to get wet>.

Fucking hell @TransParentlyAnnoyed, are you STILL banging on about Khelif being a woman. You must be the only person left in the world who believes that tripe.

Someone's not a happy bunny tonight.

Oh well, never mind.

Funnily enough i was wondering when, your short, straight to the point, no nonsense post would arrive 😍

It's single sex spaces @TransParentlyAnnoyed

Not safe spaces. This has been pointed out to you before. Try and keep up.

I do wonder how some of these people come up with their posts. Or more why do they come up with those posts?

It's just ranting jibber jabber, but somehow also quite specific.

Bizarre.