Linehan tweeting misogyny and racism now

There are zero actual details here and zero connection with any GC individuals.

I still don't understand the equivalence you see between Linehans' behaviour and that of the extreme TRA component.

What has he said or done that's on a similar level?

I didn't say that.

I asked specifically what has he said or done that you think is on an equivalent level to this.

https://terfisaslur.com/

Well then, all these reasonable TRAs need to speak up a bit louder then.
Because the majority of what we hear IS offensive, aggressive, and threatening. And would absolutely not fly if it was being directed at any other group sharing a protected characteristic.

Have you looked at any of those terf is a slur tweets??
Have a go at replacing the word TERF in those tweets with black, gay, disabled, Jewish, elderly people, Trans(!) even.

There are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of them. They are the very loud, prevailing voices.

It's not hard to speak up as a community to condemn the actions of people who despite sharing views with, are damaging your community and making it harder for your community to be accepted and viewed as reasonable.

Plenty of groups concerned about the unsavoury actions of a few in their community regularly speak out to basically say "they dont speak for us"
Organisations like the MCB repeatedly issue statements condemning all forms of mindless violence, stressing that extremists do not speak for Islam.
There were very loud, very strong Sikh voices expressing their horror at the HN murder.
The EVAWG coalition recently did that last year, after being horrified at some anti migrant groups hijacking their cause.
Good people tend to distance themselves from the lunatics among them.

So where are they? Where are all the voices saying "Not in my name?"
I sure as shit would not want to be lumped in with maniacs ranting about torturing a group of people I dont agree with.

And people DO condem GL on here. Regularly.
We've all got eyes. Hes clearly lost the plot. I agree with him on ONE thing.
And many, many women on here have openly and repeatedly said hes doing us no favours with his erratic and sometimes offensive tweets.
But to say they are even in the same fucking universe as the type of tweets, signage, and behaviour we see regularly from TRAs is patently absurd.

No, there is no level of cosmetic surgery that should allow a man to access female single sex spaces.

Apparently you're not supposed to differentiate between those who have had surgery and those that haven't in terms of their transness. So I don't.

Quite. Most of us find it possible to agree with people on one thing while disagreeing on others.

Well as a woman, I feel that there has been a refusal from Transwomen to acknowledge the impact on women of having men in their single sex spaces.

Instead there has been belittling of women's point of view, intimidation, bullying, ignoring of their consent. It's been entirely about what Transwomen want and the shutting down of anyone who has a different point of view.

If a transwomen is at risk in a men's toilet, that's because of the behaviour of other men. Why has there been zero focus on tackling horrific behaviour from men and all the focus on getting women to sort the problem out?

If the focus had been on third spaces to begin with, there would have been significant support for that, but the direction they have taken has made clear how deeply misogynistic this entire movement is at its heart.

And by the by, why would there be any argument for letting transitioned men into women's toilets? They are men. Having surgery doesn't change that.

I checked your posting history and I will be honest, I am finding it very hard to believe you are the GC poster you claim to be. However, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you have name changed.

The reason I am finding it hard to believe is that anyone who has been following this from a GC position for any amount of time has seen this in the wild themselves.

It's not just a handful of cherry picked examples.

I'm pretty much classic woke. It's just this one thing where I'm a major outlier from my usual tribe, and most of the time I don't bring itup for obvious reasons. So I see what the nice, reasonable people on the Genderist side say.

I've been called a literal Nazi and told I do not deserve any consideration or respectful engagement with my position whatsoever simply for saying, in a hobby group I have been a member of for literally over a decade, that female people exist as well and that should be respected.

I've sat on the sidelines in a forum and watched reasonable, careful, considered posts being deleted wholesale and replaced with the narrative that "a bunch of hateful TERFS came and spread their poison but don't worry, we saw them off".

I mean - have you read JKR's statement and then compared it to how she gets described not just by the splintery rolling pin crowd but by everyday politically engaged left wing adults? They have absolutely no doubt that she literally wants to harm transpeople, that she has had some kind of middle aged breakdown.

It really, truly, 100% is not the same on both sides here.

Well men need to learn to accept that other men don't always look like them, and behave better. And that's not women's job to sort out.

And actually, how bad is the risk? Men would most likely be uncomfortable and leave, or maybe make a rude remark. Hardly threats of sexual assault with a splintery rolling pin.

I don't see why you think it's women's job to facilitate these men. It's men's, or theirs to argue for other spaces, which it would seem they don't want as there's no validation in that.

First of all, are they? What is the evidence?

Secondly, if that's true, where is the campaign to tackle this terrible behaviour from men?

Thirdly, if third spaces and needed, go for it. Most GC types have been advocating this for years (and been called bigots as a result)

But do not make male on male violence women's problem to solve. Do not attempt to shame and bully women who rightfully refuse to give up their rights to ameliorate the effects of male behaviour.

The solution is third spaces. Individual gender neutral facilities and being able to trust that trans women (knowing they are biologically male) accept and use them.
Sadly, looking at the response by most vocal TRAs this does not seem to be happening.
I wonder why, if the extreme TRAs are such a amall part of the population?

For instance, in the example of the medically-transitioned transwoman in the men's toilets; the responses immediately on this very thread have skirted around the central point and haven't offered an actual solution. The only two options seem to be A. The transwoman should just go in the Men's where he'll be in danger, or B. The transwoman just shouldn't exist.

That's just blatantly not true though is it? Read through the responses again.

@GiddyGiddyGiddy If transwomen face dangers in the male bathroom (and I remind you again, that you have provided no evidence for this).

Why are you more focused on women acknowledging this than actually addressing it with the males dishing it out?

Familiarise yourself with the difference between a 'bug' and a 'feature'.

But the point is that we don't have to suggest the solutions. Women fought for their own spaces, transpeople can do the same. I think a lot of us would support that, but why should we drive it amd solve their problems, which they have chosen, for them?

Also, I don't think suggesting they go where the law says is in any way the same as threatening violence, as women wouldn't be commiting it, if indeed it were to happen.

It's also pretty misandrist to have such a low opinion of men.

It wasn’t made by a “single TRA”. There are thousands of such posts.