Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 8

Wow.

Every one of these insane tribunals has its golden moment! A star witness. CA is epic.

Yes agreed. Unless it could be proved to be malicious. In this case ST probably genuinely believes it all

Just caught up on today. Amazing fortitude from CA - that can't have been easy. I also feel for Elspeth who has been through the wringer for years at the hands of this narcissistic man. Have done some gardening to show support.🌷

It’s harassment by process. Why is this not a disciplinary?

For obvious reasons it would be a terrible policy if raising a grievance or instituting legal action was subject to any kind of penalty.

BettyBooper · Today 13:51

J: Before break we were discussing - has anyone more to say?

NC: Yes - on reflection I do not think I will finish today.
[subtext because she's blathered on endlessly with twelvty billion variations on a bloody theme!]

Musing on the idea that going part heard with CA’s calm and balanced views heard last is maybe going to be worse for his case than EW’s.

I’ve no idea about the J but I’m now tempted to go back and review ST’s evidence in light of what CA said. And if that’s followed by interposing EW then I think ST’s case starts to look seriously ropey.

HH’s endless evidence will surely have done more harm than good - all it’s done for me is reveal the details of how badly ST behaved and how unreasonable the demands were. again and again and again and again. Prior to that the J could imagine ST being called a clown or someone prancing amd feel sympathetic. Not so much now i think… A series of endless own goals. If this was ST’s instruction then HH should have advised against this.

It’s harassment by process. Why is this not a disciplinary?

And the TRA are having a very normal one about it #BeKindBrigade

It's now a murder inquiry!

Marking my place again

Im not totally sure if the DEFRA managers were all in the same Region or if they were also London based.

It is not unusual to have more mature people in senior roles for posts based in the regions. It’s the hierarchical structure that means promotion is often dead man’s shoes. So several retiring etc is not usual plus they are also seen as a safe pair of hands.

London is very different as the number of senior posts is much higher and it’s a lot easier to get promotion.

I have guests next week (so it will take me a while to confirm my suspicions), but one thing that struck me when I was scanning through ST’s witness statement earlier in the week was just how many DEFRA staff involved in the grievances/moderations/investigations had since retired/transferred/gone on sabbatical.

I suppose it could be that they were deemed to be “less busy”, but it did strike me as odd.

Shame about the tennis.

Might be many candidates willing to fund. There are many who’d love the uppity women to be put back in their place and to STFU about their rights.

Sorry but no they don't. I'm afraid it's Matt Walsh but still the best explanation of how Victim Points add up:

CA has retired - so an older civil servant trained in the tradition of seeing both sides of an argument and looking for compromise and consensus. I know we tend to assume that once you actually listen to the bullshit you cant not see it but she will have had the Stonewall training too.

No debate started off with racism, once you accept that you've accepted that bigotry is OK.

Yes, quite. And here we are again.

That's a very, very useful analogy.

Ah, interesting. The implied analogy is that ST and co’s approach was like the US military don’t ask, don’t tell. The truth of the matter is that they are the illiberal authoritarians. Why is that so hard for people to recognise? Surely the #nodebate was the first giveaway?!

I have the PC of deafness, should I have objected to my workplace having outings to plays, musicals etc without closed captioning or should the mere suggestion of a workplace choir have triggered thoughts of they are excluding me, outing me and erasing my existence as a deaf person temper tantrum?

I see:

EdithStourton · Today 11:31

Has beaten me to it. Apols, daily life intervened and I rushed to post! Still working through this one...

I humbly contribute

(From previous thread)

PrettyDamnCosmic · Today 10:50

Madcats · Today 10:35

On other bits of Twitter, somebody has spotted that Murray Blackburn MacKenzie is also listed on Amnesty's glorious spreadsheet of "anti-rights organisations" & FWS & LGB Alliance & Legal Feminist etc etc
It's utterly bonkers.

Anyone else getting this vibe?

If I'm right then Elspeth is autistic and gender critical (which go together imho because auties have low bullshit tolerance.) Does anyone know if 2 protected characteristics automatically trump one, please?

Huge thanks to TT and the copiers, you must be fed up and exhausted so I am sending virtual mojitos to everyone.

Agree.

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