Continuation of Polypostwonder thread

It is impossible under gender critical beliefs. I recognise that this is your belief.

"puberty was blocked and was redirected to a female direction."

This is impossible. No one can have their puberty redirected so they go through opposite sex puberty.

The PP posted this example stating that this sport result was evidence of the threat of physical violence against female people.

She transitioned before puberty. As a girl, her male puberty was blocked and was redirected to a female direction. She will live the remainder in her life as a woman. Her body well within average for a girl, there is no male testosterone levels advantage.

I am not missing the point. I disagree with the gender critical belief. I believe she is not displacing any other girl because she belongs in her spot.

Sure, but feelings do not always reflect reality.

Can you point to where you have been attacked, it's possible I missed it.

Disagreement is not an attack 🙄

No. It's not just about who can physically hurt us.

If that was the criteria, why bother calling them "women's" spaces and only letting safe men who claim to be women in? There's plenty of male people who don't pose a physical threat, so what makes PPW and PPW alone different? The fact he tells us he's turned himself into a superficial facsimile of what "a woman" looks like? Please.

PPW didn't wake up one day looking like a woman and decide "oh well, I guess I'd better live as a woman now" - he started by feeling inside something he believes only "women" feel and so chose to make his outside match it. Before the transition, there was the sexism. Transition is simply sexism enacted on the flesh.

What I believe harms women, and what I resist, vehmently, is also the creep into society the idea that there are ways of thinking and feeling that are proper for women but not men, and vice versa, and that if a man thinks or feels enough like society has decided women do, then he might as well be a woman because that's all that we are.

It reduces us. It takes us right back to the same old sexism that says our minds are better caring and nuturing than thinking and leading.

The most empowering, inclusive way to think about women is the half of humanity that has a female body in all our diversity of thought and feeling. Anything less than that reduces us. Tunring us into simply the subset of what we can be that can also be achieved by a man does us a great injustice and it's done entirely to benefit men like PPW and not us.

if PPWs history and description of himself is correct

All this hypothetical anecdote is not really very helpful.

You are a man for all the reasons other than height.

A slight man is not a woman, he is a man for all the reasons other than height.

I am small. I am also shaped like a woman, because I developed as a woman. I wear size 6 clothes that fit my body much better than 'unisex' xs clothing ever has. My voice never dropped, I've never had a beard or hairy body, I don't have an adams apple, and for those women who keep asking about them, my hands and feet are normally sized for women. As far as I know, I've never seen off the rack men's shoes or gloves for my sizes.

As for your sports example, I looked up Becky Pepper Jackson. She won the 2026 AAA Girls WV State Shot Put title. Her result is almost 4 feet shorter than the WV State record and just under 2 feet from the best recorded AAA Girls score in the year. She got lucky. Her score is also well within the normal expected range for a top performer of her age.

What is it about her sport performance that becomes proof of a violent threat against female people in your mind?

There really is this false perception that a short slight man is not a physical threat.

I would like to see all the evidence that proves that. Because I don’t believe that the evidence shows this at all. Quite the contrary considering the sports examples.

For instance, one example is Becky Pepper Jackson has had his puberty blocked for a long time. He is now 15/16 and holds girl’s shot put titles. His winning shot was over 2 feet longer than second place. How is he not a threat of physical harm to female people?

I don't care if a man has a penis. I've been raped many times by objects and it's often more painful and traumatic than being raped by a penis. Why does it matter if a man has a penis?

I don't care if they're small or medium sized. I've been raped by slight, fragile men. A petite man is still a man. A fragile man is still a man. Why does their size matter? Why is it acceptable for any man to be in a woman's single-sex space or use women's single-sex services?

"...and that no woman would blink at sharing female spaces with him, even if he was naked."

I resent someone telling me that I wouldn’t blink at sharing a space with a male person, that I would not be able to correctly identify that male person’s sex.

Quite frankly, if someone thinks that that cannot correctly identify a male person’s sex they need to stop wrongly making the assumption that no one else can. It is incorrect to assume that no female person will be able to correctly identify the sex of a male person even after surgery.

Considering how often we are told
we will not be able to correctly identify the sex of puberty blocked males yet it is still possible to do so even with filtered images, it is just a falsity to make such a claim. And why the fuck would we take a heavily invested male poster’s opinion that they never have their sex correctly identified at face value?

@Imdunfer

And even if no women did clock him as male in female single sex spaces, he knows he's male! He knows he shouldn't be in there, and he knows some women would find it a violation if they knew.

This was what prompted the conversation around consent in the last thread.

Small gay men are still male. This was covered in the last thread, and again why should small men, small gay men, or any other man be allowed into single sex female spaces? They all male and they don't belong in there!

"I fully believe that he is accepted totally as a woman..."

You only have his word for this and he has proven himself an unreliable narrator at best.

"...and that no woman would blink at sharing female spaces with him, even if he was naked."

You don't know this!
A lot of women are actually very good at spotting male bodies from their movement etc, even from a distance, even after surgical modifications.

"I don't believe that any woman would find PPW a threat."

You have already been told by women on the other thread that you are categorically wrong about this.
Some of us would find his presence in single sex spaces a violation and possible threat, because he is male.

"And I don't believe PPW is any danger to women"

We don't know this. Even if you discount a physical danger, there are other dangers to women to consider when trans identified males are allowed to colonise our words and violate our rights and spaces.

Edited to add the bit in bold above.

It is irrelevant what any individual thinks about another individual and whether the fuck a male person ‘passes’, is a direct physical threat or has any reason for that male to feel like he should be able to make a claim that he is female when he is not female at all.

If a male person above the age of about 8 years old accesses female single sex provisions they are potentially causing harm to female people there, regardless of what body parts they have or have not got, or how tall that male person is or how he is built or even how gentle he is or what trauma he has suffered, or how long he has been accessing those provisions. That action poses a direct threat of harm and it is a ‘danger’. To individual female people or collectively to female people.

And any male person who takes a role or position that was created for or designated for being only for female people is a ‘threat’ and ‘danger’ to female people. The threat of lost opportunity is still a threat and a danger

In that way those individual male people are a threat and a danger to female people - individual female people and female people collectively.

Not only that, but the accumulated impact of all those single individual male people is also a threat and a danger to female people.

Exactly.
”I wasn’t using ‘subjective’ and ‘objective’ in this way”.
Words can mean whatever PPW wants!
No wonder there is no clarity and the goalposts just keep sliding around.

I think he admitted that he expected there may be some negative reaction before.

What I see is a male person who has invested massively in not being seen as being male. Personally (emotionally and energy wise), and financially (even if that finance was governmental or via health insurance it is still someone paying for it under his control). There was no thought ever given to the negative impact on female people from him or any one else who supported that initial investment and since.

What I see now is desperation to keep that investment from losing gains, or from sinking into negative equity. The constant dishonesty (since February) where a person tries to claim that none of it is his doing that womanhood is being done to him because he denies that first decision to stake acquisition and then denies that that first decision has a momentum that could be stopped as soon as he relinquished the language acquisition and stated ‘I am a male
person’ is enlightening in some ways.

It really is a lesson in the harm people’s decisions to use demanded language causes, when that language is based on subjective belief and not on material reality.

If PPW was actually confident that he exists in the liminal space of 'woman' then he could stop lying to his friends and presumably family and nothing would change. It is because he knows it WOULD change that he has to continue lying.

I don't really see what PPW's problem is. By his own admission everyone in his daily life, family, friends, colleagues, treats him as a woman. He lives "as a woman", whatever that means. Nobody wants to take that away from him.

As long as he does the very simple thing of staying out of public single-sex spaces, what's the problem? He can just peacefully live his life.

Plus it would be a real step forward for society if it could recognize that there's subgroup of men who reject the gender box traditionally labelled "masculine" and choose instead the one labelled "feminine". It would be really good for men as a whole to get used to sharing their toilets, changing rooms and sports teams with men who superficially resemble that despised creature, woman. It would real genuine progress if society became a place where a man could live the way PPW is living and still be acknowledged as a man.

This is entirely incoherent.

By using the female language for yourself when you are not female in any materially real way, only if you philosophise that you are female, you are indeed being dishonest.

This is a great example of that passive force.

“I accept my placement within women.”

Again, this shows just how little you understand consent.

You do not have consent to take any role within ‘women’. You therefore do this by force. You actually as if you are something that you are materially not, you are acting as if you are entitled to something which you are not and never were entitled to.

“It does feel comfortable to me and I even find it empowering sometimes.”

I even find it empowering sometimes.

Did you even think before you wrote this on a feminist forum?

Of course a male person who acts as if they are entitled to being treated as if they were female will feel empowered. Anyone who has their needs and wants met will feel ‘empowered’ to be seen and treated as what they want to be seen and treated as.

However, when it is a male person who uses any type of force, possible or active, to acquire female language and access to female single sex provisions, it is the very epitome of sexism. You have even accepted a female representational role! How very empowering for you!