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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The liminality of sex perception, sex-based spaces and bodily autonomy.

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polypostwonder · 20/05/2026 15:31

This thread continues a discussion between BonfireLady (sorry, I wanted to tag you but the system says your username doesn't currently exist) and I on biological sex vs perceived/observed sex in https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5530455-us-to-open-worlds-first-childrens-detransition-clinic-texas-hospital-to-offer-free-services-reversing-the-effects-of-gender-affirming-treatments?page=10&reply=152406258

She has requested I answer the following two questions:

  1. would you consider that a viable way forward is for you to self-exclude from women's spaces and instead either advocate for third spaces for anyone to use (e.g. unisex facilities in addition to single-sex) or (probably your least preferred) use the men's?
  2. would you support a restriction on anyone under 18 (or 25?) making permanent changes to their body, to match it with their perception of their "gender"? Similar to other restrictions on permanent body changes.

I believe I have previously answered them both. My answers today are superficially the same, but I have better thought out my answers (maybe?). To do this though, I need to share some assumptions.

In the previous thread, I believe there was somewhat of an agreement on the following statements:

  1. People can identify a man when dressed in clothes 'traditionally associated' with women. Clothes are superficial to sex.
  2. People look at other people and perceive their sex. People are not identifying the gametes/sry/chromosomes/other unobservable immutable biologic factor inside another person.
  3. Assumptions about sex are made based on a person’s sex characteristics amongst other observable cues.
  4. Pretty much every person in the whole world "exists within the expectations of sex categories". Very rarely it's unclear.
  5. If a person exists within the expectations of sex categories, then socially they are treated as that sex whether they wish to be or not.

Building on those statements and previous discussion, some additional thoughts:

  1. ‘Biological sex’ is defined by a person’s gametes/chromosomes/sry/other unobservable immutable biologic factor. This cannot be changed.
  2. ’Observable sex’ is based upon the perception of sex characteristics rather than known biological sex and influences the placement and treatment of people in social sex categories. Perception is not under control of the observed, nor is it a demand of others.
  3. Observable sex can be heavily influenced by biological sex and sex-based function. But sex-based function is not a requirement for the perception of sex.
  4. Women’s rights are a cultural accommodation to rebalance access to society and ensure health, fair treatment, safety and/or dignity. Not all women require or access every right, but these rights are a vital benefit to women as a class.
  5. Users of a culturally defined space for members of one sex may feel comfort, privacy or protection through separation from non-users. But all users share an equal right to feel comfort, privacy or protection.
  6. Misogyny is not biologically based. It is a prejudice directed at women’s observable sex. Sexism can be biologically directed, but it can also be directed at members of an observable sex.
  7. Sex realists believe every person should live and be treated by society according to their biological sex, no exceptions.
  8. Trans people have a wide range of beliefs and goals. They do not share a single motivation.
  9. Better quality research should be done with trans people of all ages.

I think BonfireLady is correct in saying each of us sees the other's "belief" as non-sensical and our own as position as factual. I'm hoping we can discuss this from a somewhat sensical space.

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polypostwonder · Yesterday 00:32

Imdunfer · 30/05/2026 07:32

Genetics are the gatekeeper of womanhood. Yours is XY.

This is a gender critical belief. I do, as you know have a different belief that does not rely upon genetics.

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MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 00:37

polypostwonder · Yesterday 00:17

No. This was not my intention.

While we are here, we can acknowledge the members of the gay community who were exterminated during the Holocaust. I also learned last year that trans women were also hunted and sent to death camps during the Holocaust, thanks to the denial of this by gender critical people: https://hmd.org.uk/resource/6-may-1933-looting-of-the-institute-of-sexology/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_transgender_people_in_Nazi_Germany

I haven't engaged with you on your other main topic, but I'm intervening now to say that anachronistic misappropriation of history to 'trans' it, e.g. attempting to co-opt the Stonewall Riots, is always wrong.
Claiming the Holocaust as part of 'transgender' history is beyond wrong, it is despicable.

polypostwonder · Yesterday 00:39

InfoSecInTheCity · 30/05/2026 07:46

The argument that you and many other Trans Women make often is “how will you prove I’m not female to stop me accessing your facilities/services, will you be doing cheek swabs?” do you really not see why that argument is unacceptable? What you are saying is that you know you are causing women distress, you know that you are doing something that some women do not consent to, you know that you are making it so that some women will self-exclude because they can no longer rely on the single-sex nature of the space. But you’re going to do it anyway because you want to.

With regard your idea that if TW are socially accepted and treated as women then it’s fine that they use female services. There are several TW that I regularly encounter in shops because they work there, they are very clearly male, it took no time at all to recognise them immediately as males in traditionally women style clothes, makeup and hair. I’m not a twat so I don’t walk up to them and say “ey up fella, catch the game last night” or any other more stereotypically male topics of conversation. I just interact with them as a retail worker and customer, their sex or gender presentation is not relevant to our interaction, that doesn’t mean that I think they’re a woman. They may however perceive that I have thought they are a woman based on the fact I haven’t called them a man. You can’t say that just because the truth isn’t being highlighted constantly it is no longer the truth. Those males do not belong in women’s changing rooms, women’s swimming sessions, women’s gyms, women’s rape crisis services, women’s prisons…… they would cause distress to some women and they would turn the service from single sex to mixed sex.

This isn't my idea really,

As much as this website denies the possibility or legality of this, I've spent more than 2/3rds of my life as a normal woman (when compared to my abnormal childhood, or what most other people would label 'men'). I don't think about it, I don't have an identity, I don't require anyone use specific pronouns, it just is.

I don't need to prove anything. I am not looking for anyone to acknowledge anything. My life is boring and normal. When i've said 'trans' isn't my problem, I am being very clear that it has no impact on the life I live and experience every day.

The users of this site can re-make my life, my pronouns and my sex into the idealised form within its beliefs, but imagination and wishcasting is all that is happening.

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polypostwonder · Yesterday 00:40

MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 00:37

I haven't engaged with you on your other main topic, but I'm intervening now to say that anachronistic misappropriation of history to 'trans' it, e.g. attempting to co-opt the Stonewall Riots, is always wrong.
Claiming the Holocaust as part of 'transgender' history is beyond wrong, it is despicable.

I am not an expert on that. From what I've read there are first person reports from pre-war, WW2 and in the aftermath. This is where the research has originated.

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murasaki · Yesterday 00:42

You are the one 'wishcasting', whatever that made up word means. The word is as valid as you being a woman, i.e. not at all.

And the holocaust claiming is, as said, despicable.

polypostwonder · Yesterday 00:42

Based on the amount of traffic this thread has received, I doubt I will be able to provide responses to everyone expecting a response before it is locked.

I think the closest 'feminism' to my beliefs these days could probably be some kind of 'trans-inclusive feminism.' I know this is incompatible with the beliefs of gender critical people, but there's probably no surprise there.

Anyway, back to reading the thread from where I left off.

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murasaki · Yesterday 00:43

polypostwonder · Yesterday 00:40

I am not an expert on that. From what I've read there are first person reports from pre-war, WW2 and in the aftermath. This is where the research has originated.

There are also photos of senior male Nazis cross dressing....

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 00:53

Ultimately, we have a male arguing that he has more in common with females than any other male does, when he doesn't.

Setting aside people born with differences of sexual development (who are still either male or female), there are females and there are males, and never the twain shall meet.

In all situations either the biological and criminal differences do matter (healthcare and traditionally sex-separated spaces) in which case 'gender' doesn't matter, or the biological and criminal differences don't matter, in which case those spaces should be entirely unisex.

There is literally no reason to ever exclude all males except those who think they feel like females.

polypostwonder · Yesterday 01:01

Imdunfer · 30/05/2026 08:01

@polypostwonder

You live as a woman.

You are fully accepted as a woman.

Nobody recognises that you are male unless you tell them and you are not obliged to tell them.

You have been using female facilities for decades and you know that you will be able to do so without challenge because of how you present.

You know you can't change your genes, at least I hope you know that, you aren't stupid and this is not (yet) possible.

It is accepted in this country that people of both sexes can dress and behave however they like within the law.

The equality laws and the criminal laws protect you from harm more strongly than others.

Some other trans people are able to understand that they have not physically changed sex.

Why is it so critically important for your psyche for you to believe that you have actually turned into a physical woman?

I've never dwelled on any of this. My transition never involved existential crisis. It's never been about clothing or behaviour for me. Mostly, it was about never being a man. I believe birth characteristics and genetics have no influence on the path my life has taken. I was never destined to be a biological parent. I have always dated and have somehow found partners who love and support me for who I am, rather than how strange gender critical people on the Internet demand I be identify. I have had several different careers and have never had a problem finding a job, contrary to the warnings and advice I received as a child and teen about trans women.

I am observably a physical woman. I guess I feel some awe at the denial of this by gender critical people and doubly so at their need to call me a man. I don't sense any nuance or pragmatism in these arguments. Yes, you have said you can understand my life, somewhat. Thank you for that. But generally, I'm not sensing any proposed environment that distinguishes my childhood and more than four decades of adult life from that of a bog standard bloke of my age. There is no benefit and I have no ability to even imagine what life would be like if I came out. I can guarantee I wouldn't be treated like a bog standard bloke of my age afterward, though.

The laws in this country regulating trans people's lives are unique, ambiguous and unjust as far as individual people are concerned. I trust this may be less so in the future. I visit countries that forcefully surgically detransition, imprison, torture and kill known trans women and believe their laws to be unjust too.

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polypostwonder · Yesterday 01:12

Imdunfer · 30/05/2026 07:47

Your definition of "woman" appears to include any person who says that they feel they are a woman and any person who everyone else thinks is a woman from observing them.

That would include people who everyone around them thinks is a man/woman, even though that person themself believes they are a woman/man and simply wants to act as if they are a man/woman.

That also means that people who dress and behave as a woman one day and a man the next are a woman or a man depending on how they are viewed by the people interacting with them, unless that person makes it clear to everyone (with a statement or maybe even a badge) which they believe they are.

Can you see how ridiculous your definition of woman is?

It isn't 'my definition of woman' though.

I do believe some trans women are women. I wouldn't say any person who claims to feel like a woman feels like a woman as I understand, or you or anyone else would understand. I wouldn't necessarily understand her to be a woman the same as me, or any other woman either.

I've already said I cannot know what someone transitioning as an adult experiences. I absolutely have no understanding of how someone could transition from an already well-established life. I don't know how I would navigate friends or family or work. The closest experience I can imagine as a comparison is learning one is gay or lesbian after many years of marriage and/or raising children in a traditional heterosexual relationship. It seems really difficult to navigate, in addition to the inward focus and selfishness that transition requires.

There are also many examples of men, who are not trans in any way or form, claiming to be trans for criminal purpose or political statement. Others, in sport, have made bad faith efforts to 'prove' how unjust trans women in women's sport is by claiming a trans identity in competition(https://www.yahoo.com/news/male-canadian-powerlifter-breaks-women-172134581.html ). Politically and definitionally, neither of these groups of men are the responsibility of trans women.

I guess woman is more a 'perception' (observed, by another?) than a 'definition.' I know one when I meet one? Not useful for discussion or cultural understanding. But culturally, it would seem to be closer to how reality is than the firmness and absolute requirements of gender critical beliefs at this time.

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polypostwonder · Yesterday 01:25

ArabellaScott · 30/05/2026 10:15

I am sorry for the trauma you have experienced. It sounds awful.

I hope that you are able to make peace with that trauma at some point.

The way that you interact with women on here suggests unresolved issues, to be perfectly honest.

None of the women on here are responsible for the harm done to you, nor can we fix it.

The first step in healing is acknowledging the truth, and if ones whole life has become a struggle to resist the most basic truths, then one is at root fighting oneself.

No amount of trying to persuade women on the internet of impossible things is ever going to be enough.

Thank you for your concern. I've had a lot of therapy as a child, teen and young adult. Coming to peace about my trauma has been worked on.

What you are are likely witnessing is my frustration. I am now quite content to ignore requests to recontextualise my experience within gender critical beliefs. It is impossible. I now accept this, whereas I didn't previously. I don't need to heal inside of gender critical beliefs. Gender critical truths are not the reality I've existed within. They are not the reality I live within today.

I agree that gender critical people will never be persuaded. I disagree that it's not already been enough, though. I'm done with that. :)

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polypostwonder · Yesterday 01:46

Catiette · 30/05/2026 21:03

I find this revealing. I mention that contributions like your own on this board have been instrumental in testing and affirming my views, and this is no different.

PPW, your arguments are inconsistent and occasionally nonsensical. Other posters can see this, and have suggested why. I don't think it's stupidity - you're clearly brighter than some of our visitors. I also don't think it's consciously cynical ulterior motives - you've been relatively more respectful than most, too. And yet...

  • You say you have no time to debate with me, then post compulsively across multiple pages.
  • You refer to "feminist theory" to justify this, in answer to plain English common sense (the common sense of feminists, yes but in no way high falutin). Meanwhile, you also indulge in pseudo-philosophical word salad.
  • You make claims that are demonstrably incorrect or illogical about UK law, what "everyone" (I mean, really?!) "outside this site" believes or values, and about healthcare (of course any medic treating you needs to know about the medical interventions you've undergone)
  • You rely on hyperbole: "I suspect the gender critical use would require every knowable fact about a person be shared..."

All of the above undermines your position. As such, I'm honestly coming down on the side of Arabella, above - the avoidance/illogicality suggest a certain desperation that make me think you may be better stepping back from this discussion.

What really frustrates me, though, is that, with more distance, there's so much you could say that would be more convincing than the approach you take. Like...

  • "I acknowledge that the UK Supreme Court ruled that references to 'sex', 'man' and 'woman' in the Equality Act refer to biological sex (a person's sex at birth) and there's an expectation, as with any law, that the populace abides by this. However, I personally disagree with this on ethical grounds, and will be in engaging in a quiet campaign of civil disobedience which is consistent with my values and personal needs. I acknowledge that some women may find it disconcerting to know that this is my intention, however feel that this is superceded by..." etc.
  • "I recognise that I don't have the medical expertise to be confident that my birth sex has no relevance in any medical scenario, so share it with practitioners so they can make that judgement. I will say, however, that, to the best of my knowledge, it has no yet influenced what treatment I have needed post-transition."

Or even...

  • "Sorry, everyone - I recognise I've not yet addressed why I feel "adult human female"'s an adequate descriptor for this class of human. This is because I recognise this is actually a difficult ethical issue, and I'm still formulating my thoughts on it. I mean, I do recognise that 'what you don't know can't hurt you' doesn't suffice in many other situations (like, an annoying unnecessary qualification that, nonetheless, is stipulated for a job I want / a DSB certificate in an OAP home that's been a bit lazy about checking for these) / age limits for driving - I'm honestly still working out how "woman"'s different in this respect, even given UK law... I'll get back to you on this!"

Practically speaking, in your situation - which is impossibly difficult, I get that, I like to think I'd go for something like...

  • Look I recognise this is a hugely distressing subject for you, as I am different to you. However, to introduce myself as such in every possible scenario is blatantly impractical. As such, I just make sure to remove myself from any in which I understand, from endless anxious discussion with female friends and relatives who know the real me, women may be distressed were they to find out I were trans. For this reason (and the law!) I use single-enclosed loos whenever possible (thank goodness there are a lot of these - careful planning means I usually can access one) and disabled loos if not (those increasingly common "Not all disabilities are visible," signs do help, and while not all of you may agree, and I hope any disabled posters don't mind me saying so, I think my legal exclusion from single sex spaces qualifies me for this where there's an absence of alternative provision).

Instead of all this, we just get

  • "Observably, and experientially, 'woman' is more than just the initial dictionary definition... Reality is shared... But we can all readily identify the characteristics of people we share space."

and in that way you restate a blindness to women's rights that just gives fuel to our fire.

It's self-destructive, on a "whole-trans" level and, I sometimes worry, an individual level.

On this basis, I am disengaging (like, properly!) this time, though I'll keep reading.

Before I go now, though, you know one interesting thing? My instinct before posting this was to add an apology for presuming to appropriate your own hugely complex and challenging situation, and voice, in my hypothetical posts above. Can you see the irony there?

NB. I hope you don't mind this monologue. A precedent was set for these early on, which (being an incorrigible lover of the monologuing!) I'm afraid I embraced. Again. 😄

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(ETA: Sorry for responding to your expressly stated monologue...)

I don't believe I've been arguing from a position. My beliefs do change depending on the presented context. My experiences are unique to me by my understanding, but not to gender critical people who believe all trans women to be men. I can see where inconsistency might exist. Also, since being accused of posting through AI, I've sometimes done a round of editing to re-word my replies which makes some statements less approximate to my initial feelings.

I made the response to you and the other poster because I wanted to give you a response with the amount of brain power and thinking I thought the posts deserved. The 'compulsive posts' were quick and less-involved mentally.

Common sense, my beliefs probably align with trans-inclusive feminism. I haven't read much, but it seems to be antithetical to gender critical trans-exclusive feminism. So, a likely beginning place for me. I am also a fan of third wave intersectionality theories. Unsurprising, I know.

I don't always respond to mumsnet posts with an identical mindset. I sense a lot of differing motivations behind various members' posts and in response, if I choose to respond, I sometimes respond with hyperbole or less than seriously based on the environment created by the posts I've read rather than the one I'm responding. In the past I have also made some troll-ish statements.

I believe women's rights are all women's rights. I don't hold 'Gender Critical' beliefs. Personally, on the life I've lived, I will never make the statements you suggest.

I do continue to share non trans-oriented beliefs with gender critical people, but they are also expressed by feminist groups as feminist beliefs.

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polypostwonder · Yesterday 02:06

Helleofabore · 31/05/2026 11:23

I doubt polypostwonder is among the people we would find a threat or challenge.

I don’t agree.

Any male person who has shown he has no ability to respect the boundaries of female people in the way this poster has is not a person to not be wary of. Considering that the Olympic committee reviewed the evidence and made a decision to blanket exclude all male people with transgender identities who had even been on puberty blockers, and the studies now looking at genetics vs testosterone, I also don’t dismiss that a male person who has a shorter build than average male people still won’t pose a physical risk.

I don’t take someone’s say so that it is true. And if they have already shown they cannot speak truthfully about their sex category, why the fuck would anyone believe them?

A male who cannot respect female people’s needs is exactly the people who do pose a threat and challenge to female people.

I am specifically identifed as male because you are aware that I have transitioned, as you also identify all people who you hold a belief to be trans women.

Women are women. Women are grouped and socialised with women. There is no ongoing biological reassessment process to ensure exclusivity or inclusiveness. I am socially and biologically a woman to the world and have been for longer than my adulthood. I've said this many times, but your beliefs don't change the context of my actions as a woman in the world. I am welcomed. I am valued. I belong. To mumsnet I am a man. I've been a man, the same as any man. We disagree.

My height is only one of probably hundreds of characteristics about me that are evaluated by everyone in every circumstance of my life. It is so far beyond being about toilets or changing spaces. Average male people are average male people because of more than just height. Short male people are short male people because of more than just height. I've noticed this 'every consideration occurs in single dimensions' argument happens frequently on FWR.

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CohensDiamondTeeth · Yesterday 02:16
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Nah mate, it's really simple no matter how complicated you try to make it seem.

You are not a woman.

polypostwonder · Yesterday 02:18

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 31/05/2026 11:49

fair enough

I think you're wrong though. I've yet to see a role playing man where I couldn't tell. I mean Blair White has had a shit tonne of surgery and is gorgeous. In still photos I'd 100% read him as female, but I just need to see him walk or hear him speak to know he's a man.

For argument sake, I understand Blaire White to be a woman. This is independent of the knowledge she chose to only undergo cosmetic facial surgeries and breast augmentation, while retaining everything else.

I think I remember reading that she politically aligns 'right' and is politically vocal about being a male, living as a trans woman. I'm not 100% sure, though. It's not a way that I could understand living, but it is financially lucrative in her case.

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CohensDiamondTeeth · Yesterday 02:20

And the pretence that biology is not scientific fact but somehow a personal belief is laughable, it makes anyone who tries to say so sound very silly indeed.

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 02:21

I believe women's rights are all women's rights.

Women's rights are, of course, all women's rights. Black women, disabled women, white women, GNC women, menopausal women... But to include 'men who pretend to be women' even if they pretend really, really well, is incoherent in terms of any useful categorisation.

All humans should have equal rights. The only places where women's and men's rights should differ at all is in regards to specific, biological considerations...which do not affect males who pretend to be women.

polypostwonder · Yesterday 02:26

Wearenotborg · 31/05/2026 09:21

So why should women give him grace and understanding. He needs to learn actions have consequences. If that makes him uncomfortable and sad… that’s a him problem. He’s made it very clear he has no respect or empathy for women, so why should women show him those things? Why should women “be the bigger person”? Abd if we let hi. In, who else gets to come in? Isla Bryson? Karen white? Katie Dolowski? It’s either all TIMS or none.

I have plenty of respect and empathy.FWR are a mixed-sex assemblage of anti-trans aligned belief-sharers. You do not represent women. Your individually contributed statements are not the voice or beliefs of women. Many threads on FWR demonstrate this fact very obviously.

It has always been evident that you wish there was a very large soul-destroying, life-altering penalty for living life as a trans person.

I don't understand why gender critical people need to lump every identified trans person in with murderers and rapists. This cheapens all efforts to remove violence from the world.

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OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 02:31

I don't understand why gender critical people need to lump every identified trans person in with murderers and rapists.

We don't. We lump males in with males, and unfortunately, males are the sex who commit the vast and overwhelming majority of violent and sexual crime, and are the single biggest threat to females. It's really very simple.

polypostwonder · Yesterday 02:31

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"Fire!" is far more effective.

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polypostwonder · Yesterday 02:32

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Call 999. Make it matter.

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OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 02:34

polypostwonder · Yesterday 02:31

"Fire!" is far more effective.

Actually, in this 1980 study, as this blog post shares:

"Penn State scientists didn’t find statistically significant differences in the effectiveness of different cries for help. However, they shared data from a pilot study that did. In that study, yelling “Help, rape!” spurred 50% of the participants to action; blowing the whistle garnered a 36% helping rate, and yelling “fire” was the least effective tactic, galvanizing just 22% of the participants."

Helleofabore · Yesterday 02:36

polypostwonder · Yesterday 02:06

I am specifically identifed as male because you are aware that I have transitioned, as you also identify all people who you hold a belief to be trans women.

Women are women. Women are grouped and socialised with women. There is no ongoing biological reassessment process to ensure exclusivity or inclusiveness. I am socially and biologically a woman to the world and have been for longer than my adulthood. I've said this many times, but your beliefs don't change the context of my actions as a woman in the world. I am welcomed. I am valued. I belong. To mumsnet I am a man. I've been a man, the same as any man. We disagree.

My height is only one of probably hundreds of characteristics about me that are evaluated by everyone in every circumstance of my life. It is so far beyond being about toilets or changing spaces. Average male people are average male people because of more than just height. Short male people are short male people because of more than just height. I've noticed this 'every consideration occurs in single dimensions' argument happens frequently on FWR.

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That you allow people to believe you are female is not the same as you being female. you have just said in a post “My transition never involved existential crisis. It's never been about clothing or behaviour for me. Mostly, it was about never being a man.

When you spend months on MN telling everyone all the reasons you are female, yet you are materially not female but were born male and will continue to be male forever, you end up cycling around to making statements such as this above and the one where you, intentionally or not, told women that you were not male because you had not penetrated anyone. And you are a woman because people treat you as if you are a woman when you are not a woman.

Do you see why we see all your philosophising as sexist?

And it was not me at all who was making a thing about your height. That has been you and the poster making statements about how they didn’t believe you were a threat. I have said before and it remains unchanged, I don’t believe your height is relevant as to whether you, personally, are female or male. I stand by my answer to the poster that you have commented on.

Helleofabore · Yesterday 02:39

I am specifically identifed as male because you are aware that I have transitioned

You are specifically identified as male because you are male. Your subjective belief that you are not male is actually irrelevant in the face of that material reality.

CohensDiamondTeeth · Yesterday 02:43

polypostwonder · Yesterday 02:26

I have plenty of respect and empathy.FWR are a mixed-sex assemblage of anti-trans aligned belief-sharers. You do not represent women. Your individually contributed statements are not the voice or beliefs of women. Many threads on FWR demonstrate this fact very obviously.

It has always been evident that you wish there was a very large soul-destroying, life-altering penalty for living life as a trans person.

I don't understand why gender critical people need to lump every identified trans person in with murderers and rapists. This cheapens all efforts to remove violence from the world.

(Paraphrasing) "Why don't you want men to be able to access non-consenting women and take all women's words and rights away? You're all mean haters!"

Nah dude. I'm not anti-trans. My feminism includes trans identifying women (transmen). I'm not some anti-men hate filled misandrist either, I quite like men in general but their problems, like yours, are not mine to sort for you all because you are men. Sort it yourselves.

I'm anti-men who appropriate women's spaces, rights and words for themselves. That's it, simple.

That's not anti-trans, that's pro-women. You aren't a woman, you are a man.

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