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Continuation of Polypostwonder thread

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Imdunfer · 02/06/2026 07:55

Follow on from this thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5532352-the-liminality-of-sex-perception-sex-based-spaces-and-bodily-autonomy?page=39

For argument sake, I understand Blaire White to be a woman. This is independent of the knowledge she chose to only undergo cosmetic facial surgeries and breast augmentation, while retaining everything else.
I think I remember reading that she politically aligns 'right' and is politically vocal about being a male, living as a trans woman. I'm not 100% sure, though. It's not a way that I could understand living, but it is financially lucrative in her case.

There is a person who declares themselves to be male.

That person chooses to live presenting as a female.

In spite of their self declaration as a male, complete with male genitals, you understand that they are a woman.

And you ascribe their understanding of themselves being male, at least partly, to financial motives.

This is either monumentally arrogant or monumentally stupid thinking, or possibly both. Or perhaps you just like playing with a largely female forum and seeing how many feathers you can ruffle.

One thing is for sure, and that is that I don't think anything you write on this subject from now on is going to be of any value to read.

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murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:56

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:51

My initial assumption, based on the many times I've read the assertion before was they were looking at a skeleton. My skeleton is unremarkably female. My DNA, not.

How do you know, have you seen it?

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:56

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/06/2026 15:54

Why on earth would you assume that they wouldn't?

After so many women (in the everyday actual simple biological meaning of the word not the meaning of more recent Genderist neo-sexist belief) have been found to be misidentified as men by sexist archaeologists, accurately sexing remains not just relying on social cues has become something archaeologists take a lot more seriously.

I adore Alice Roberts shows, but I didn't assume they do all the lab work in the field.

I'll still say I'll be dead, it doesn't matter.

murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:55

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CohensDiamondTeeth · 07/06/2026 15:54

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:50

I'm not going to convince you, so we end this here.

No you are not going to convince me at all with bare faced lies about scientific impossibilities where a person can magically, literally change sex and go through opposite sex puberty. That's patently ridiculous.

It's laughable that you tried to tell me that not only were you this miracle of science and medicine who, through cross sex hormones, experienced literal opposite sex puberty, but that there are many thousands of others have also experienced this.

Complete and utter mince! 😂😂😂

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/06/2026 15:54

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:49

Perhaps if they were also doing DNA tests in the field, but this wasn't what was being implied.

Why on earth would you assume that they wouldn't?

After so many women (in the everyday actual simple biological meaning of the word not the meaning of more recent Genderist neo-sexist belief) have been found to be misidentified as men by sexist archaeologists, accurately sexing remains not just relying on social cues has become something archaeologists take a lot more seriously.

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:54

Helleofabore · 07/06/2026 15:50

Mate, you can continue to make these claims but they are both irrelevant to whether you should be accessing ANY female single sex provision and they are never going to be verifiable. So, by all means, keep repeating the claims like:

"I wear size 6 clothes that fit my body much better than 'unisex' xs clothing ever has. My voice never dropped, I've never had a beard or hairy body, I don't have an adams apple, and for those women who keep asking about them, my hands and feet are normally sized for women."

It is really irrelevant. You are not female and you have been through male puberty, if only partially. You can deny that you have any male physical advantage all you like, but the likelihood is that you will have some physical advantages due to genetics as is being discovered with review of sports evidence now. And due to that partial male puberty.

Yes, I understand that you keep telling us that you never went through any male puberty and all that testosterone converted into estrogen. But you will have experienced partial puberty before you took estrogen despite your claims to have never experience it.

As far as feet and hands are concerned, I have hands that don't fit into women's size fitted gloves. And I have a Mother in law who wears Men's shoes because her feet require bespoke shoes to be made. What the fuck of it?

Many male people are slight, short and still have more power and strength than female people. Your claims seem to all be based on your subjective beliefs in any case, and rarely based on materially proven fact, so I don't take your claims about medical changes as having veracity. Why should I? Any male person who makes the claim that they are now female is not someone who is presenting scientifically proven information.

Your beliefs don't change the reality of my body or the circumstances of my life. I'm going to stop responding, because it is senseless.

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:51

murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:50

It was, so yes then.

My initial assumption, based on the many times I've read the assertion before was they were looking at a skeleton. My skeleton is unremarkably female. My DNA, not.

Helleofabore · 07/06/2026 15:50

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 14:35

A slight man is not a woman, he is a man for all the reasons other than height.

I am small. I am also shaped like a woman, because I developed as a woman. I wear size 6 clothes that fit my body much better than 'unisex' xs clothing ever has. My voice never dropped, I've never had a beard or hairy body, I don't have an adams apple, and for those women who keep asking about them, my hands and feet are normally sized for women. As far as I know, I've never seen off the rack men's shoes or gloves for my sizes.

As for your sports example, I looked up Becky Pepper Jackson. She won the 2026 AAA Girls WV State Shot Put title. Her result is almost 4 feet shorter than the WV State record and just under 2 feet from the best recorded AAA Girls score in the year. She got lucky. Her score is also well within the normal expected range for a top performer of her age.

What is it about her sport performance that becomes proof of a violent threat against female people in your mind?

Mate, you can continue to make these claims but they are both irrelevant to whether you should be accessing ANY female single sex provision and they are never going to be verifiable. So, by all means, keep repeating the claims like:

"I wear size 6 clothes that fit my body much better than 'unisex' xs clothing ever has. My voice never dropped, I've never had a beard or hairy body, I don't have an adams apple, and for those women who keep asking about them, my hands and feet are normally sized for women."

It is really irrelevant. You are not female and you have been through male puberty, if only partially. You can deny that you have any male physical advantage all you like, but the likelihood is that you will have some physical advantages due to genetics as is being discovered with review of sports evidence now. And due to that partial male puberty.

Yes, I understand that you keep telling us that you never went through any male puberty and all that testosterone converted into estrogen. But you will have experienced partial puberty before you took estrogen despite your claims to have never experience it.

As far as feet and hands are concerned, I have hands that don't fit into women's size fitted gloves. And I have a Mother in law who wears Men's shoes because her feet require bespoke shoes to be made. What the fuck of it?

Many male people are slight, short and still have more power and strength than female people. Your claims seem to all be based on your subjective beliefs in any case, and rarely based on materially proven fact, so I don't take your claims about medical changes as having veracity. Why should I? Any male person who makes the claim that they are now female is not someone who is presenting scientifically proven information.

murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:50

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:49

Perhaps if they were also doing DNA tests in the field, but this wasn't what was being implied.

It was, so yes then.

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:50

CohensDiamondTeeth · 07/06/2026 15:47

Obviously not, mine were already grown before I hit puberty because I was born female, unlike you.

No. I asked if you went through female puberty, which you absolutely didn't. Obviously because you are a male person.

You might have had natural male puberty blocked, but you didn't then go through actual female puberty instead.

So you lied when you told me that you and "many thousands" (derisive snort!) have had natural puberty from their birth sex stopped, and artificial hormones given through medical intervention literally caused you to go through opposite sex puberty.

It's just sheer lies because that is absolutely impossible.

I'm not going to convince you, so we end this here.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/06/2026 15:50

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:39

Did you grow a uterus, cervix, ovaries, fallopian tubes in puberty? Why would you expect me to?

My skeleton changed and grew, my skin and fat distribution changed, my muscles grew, my secondary sex characteristics matured, thanks to oestrogen receptors under the direction of my DNA.

Don't be trivial.

Female people are born with primary female sex structures that mature into their adult state at puberty in response to their naturally produced hormones.

And your primary sex structures? Did they react by developing into their adult state when you had your artificially induced cross-sex hormone inspired "puberty"?

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:49

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/06/2026 15:47

Yes they would. But I understand you need to believe otherwise.

Perhaps if they were also doing DNA tests in the field, but this wasn't what was being implied.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 07/06/2026 15:47

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:39

Did you grow a uterus, cervix, ovaries, fallopian tubes in puberty? Why would you expect me to?

My skeleton changed and grew, my skin and fat distribution changed, my muscles grew, my secondary sex characteristics matured, thanks to oestrogen receptors under the direction of my DNA.

Obviously not, mine were already grown before I hit puberty because I was born female, unlike you.

No. I asked if you went through female puberty, which you absolutely didn't. Obviously because you are a male person.

You might have had natural male puberty blocked, but you didn't then go through actual female puberty instead.

So you lied when you told me that you and "many thousands" (derisive snort!) have had natural puberty from their birth sex stopped, and artificial hormones given through medical intervention literally caused you to go through opposite sex puberty.

It's just sheer lies because that is absolutely impossible.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/06/2026 15:47

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:41

Not at all. But I understand you need to believe this.

Yes they would. But I understand you need to believe otherwise.

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:41

murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:41

And if an archaeologist dug you up in the future, they'd know you were male.

Not at all. But I understand you need to believe this.

murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:41

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:39

Did you grow a uterus, cervix, ovaries, fallopian tubes in puberty? Why would you expect me to?

My skeleton changed and grew, my skin and fat distribution changed, my muscles grew, my secondary sex characteristics matured, thanks to oestrogen receptors under the direction of my DNA.

And if an archaeologist dug you up in the future, they'd know you were male.

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:39

CohensDiamondTeeth · 07/06/2026 15:36

You did not go through female puberty!

It is physically impossible, you were born (and remain) male. You do not have the biological ability to go through female puberty.

So are you telling me with what I assume is a straight face that you took cross sex hormones and grew a uterus, cervix, ovaries, fallopian tubes etc. That cross sex hormones change you down to the DNA level?

Because that would be the height of bullshittery, a most outrageous lie.

Did you grow a uterus, cervix, ovaries, fallopian tubes in puberty? Why would you expect me to?

My skeleton changed and grew, my skin and fat distribution changed, my muscles grew, my secondary sex characteristics matured, thanks to oestrogen receptors under the direction of my DNA.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 07/06/2026 15:36

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:30

Apparently there are many thousands now. When I did it, you could probably count us on both hands. Trans boys do it too. They never have a period or develop breasts.

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You did not go through female puberty!

It is physically impossible, you were born (and remain) male. You do not have the biological ability to go through female puberty.

So are you telling me with what I assume is a straight face that you took cross sex hormones and grew a uterus, cervix, ovaries, fallopian tubes etc. That cross sex hormones change you down to the DNA level?

Because that would be the height of bullshittery, a most outrageous lie.

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:35

murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:29

He's a boy. There's no getting around it. At his age, he won't even have been able to have the plastic surgery you believe makes you into a woman.

Hormones are all anyone should ever need to grow to adulthood at this age. Surgery is extremely rare before adulthood.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/06/2026 15:31

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:23

It is impossible under gender critical beliefs. I recognise that this is your belief.

Ah, so we can add "puberty" to "woman", "subjective" and "objective" on the list of words to which those who have PPW's beliefs assign an ideological meaning that is different to the meanings those words have commonly carried for hundreds of years.

This is helpful. I may write a translation dictionary.

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:30

CohensDiamondTeeth · 07/06/2026 15:29

No it's just straight up impossible.

Are you trying to tell me that some male (or multiple males) out there in the world has had their male puberty blocked, and then went on to go through female puberty?

Apparently there are many thousands now. When I did it, you could probably count us on both hands. Trans boys do it too. They never have a period or develop breasts.

murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:29

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:27

Laurel Hubbard and NZ followed the sport and Olympic qualification requirements of the time. Do I believe this was fair, no I don't. But that example isn't illustrative of youth academic sport.

Becky Pepper Jackson is a girl. She should compete with girls and if she qualifies for a scholarship to attend university as a woman, then good for her.

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He's a boy. There's no getting around it. At his age, he won't even have been able to have the plastic surgery you believe makes you into a woman.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 07/06/2026 15:29

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:23

It is impossible under gender critical beliefs. I recognise that this is your belief.

No it's just straight up impossible.

Are you trying to tell me that some male (or multiple males) out there in the world has had their male puberty blocked, and then went on to go through female puberty?

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:27

murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:24

He absolutely took a place from a girl. And in the US, that can impact scholarships to university, so entire lifetime opportunities. It's disgusting.

Laurel Hubbard took an Olympic spot from a young Pacific islander woman. That could have been life changing for her, but no, he, a man in his forties, decided to compete. The fact that he tanked is neither here nor there, she never got a shot because of his delusional vanity and sense of entitlement.

Laurel Hubbard and NZ followed the sport and Olympic qualification requirements of the time. Do I believe this was fair, no I don't. But that example isn't illustrative of youth academic sport.

Becky Pepper Jackson is a girl. She should compete with girls and if she qualifies for a scholarship to attend university as a woman, then good for her.

murasaki · 07/06/2026 15:24

polypostwonder · 07/06/2026 15:18

The PP posted this example stating that this sport result was evidence of the threat of physical violence against female people.

She transitioned before puberty. As a girl, her male puberty was blocked and was redirected to a female direction. She will live the remainder in her life as a woman. Her body well within average for a girl, there is no male testosterone levels advantage.

I am not missing the point. I disagree with the gender critical belief. I believe she is not displacing any other girl because she belongs in her spot.

He absolutely took a place from a girl. And in the US, that can impact scholarships to university, so entire lifetime opportunities. It's disgusting.

Laurel Hubbard took an Olympic spot from a young Pacific islander woman. That could have been life changing for her, but no, he, a man in his forties, decided to compete. The fact that he tanked is neither here nor there, she never got a shot because of his delusional vanity and sense of entitlement.