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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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fromorbit · 02/05/2026 11:45

Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Greens internal drama warms up | Mumsnet

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts. *How the Green Party forgot...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

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1984Now · 29/06/2026 20:37

ItsCoolForCats · 29/06/2026 20:04

It is interesting that she won't come outright and say that transwomen should use women's single sex spaces. The TRAs won't be happy with her.

It's amazing, isn't it. She uses circular language against women, and circular language to evade saying biological men should access women's spaces.
To choose a hill to die on where you spit in the face of women, but avoid fully admitting to the thing that leads you to letting women down, is a marvel of obfuscation.
The slicing of the onion is getting thinner and thinner.

ItsCoolForCats · 29/06/2026 20:04

fromorbit · 29/06/2026 19:33

Green Party Mayor of Hackney Zoe Garbett Criticizes Supreme Court Ruling on Definition of Woman in Times Radio Interview

Green Party Mayor of Hackney Zoe Garbett says the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of woman “doesn’t keep women safe”. “Trans women are women, and they face higher risk of sexual violence than most.”

Footage:
https://nitter.net/TimesRadio/status/2071578542752625082

She is very keen to avoid the question.

It is interesting that she won't come outright and say that transwomen should use women's single sex spaces. The TRAs won't be happy with her.

fromorbit · 29/06/2026 19:33

Green Party Mayor of Hackney Zoe Garbett Criticizes Supreme Court Ruling on Definition of Woman in Times Radio Interview

Green Party Mayor of Hackney Zoe Garbett says the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of woman “doesn’t keep women safe”. “Trans women are women, and they face higher risk of sexual violence than most.”

Footage:
https://nitter.net/TimesRadio/status/2071578542752625082

She is very keen to avoid the question.

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fromorbit · 28/06/2026 17:26

Very interesting the fact this has been placed in the Guardian makes me think this is part of a move by the leadership against the Mothin faction in advance of the potential zionist drama at conference.

Greens examining how party decides policy as membership triples under Zack Polanski
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/28/greens-examining-how-party-decides-policy-as-membership-triples-under-zack-polanski

Things are going to get very interesting in the Greens..

Greens examining how party decides policy as membership triples under Zack Polanski

Exclusive: Concerns in-person vote system is giving bigger say to organised fringe activists who can attend conference

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/28/greens-examining-how-party-decides-policy-as-membership-triples-under-zack-polanski

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1984Now · 28/06/2026 10:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2026 09:55

Well, quite!

These people are on a different planet. Which normal resident anywhere in UK who owns where they live, thinks they somehow don't need to pay council tax?
And this is the guy who thinks he should have a major say in how the country is run, set our taxes.
We are absolutely cursed with the worst political class, entitled and incompetent.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2026 09:55

1984Now · 27/06/2026 08:11

Maybe Polanski should have paid his council tax first before making this donation?

Well, quite!

fromorbit · 28/06/2026 07:54

Dennis Noel Kavanagh

Funny how quiet the Green Party are being on the Conversion Practices Bill. I suspect some of the more religious members may have some issues with it.

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SwirlyGates · 27/06/2026 10:05

@womendeserveequalhumanrights I can only conclude the Green Party is filled with dimwits and misogynists. That's the only possible explanation.

Well, we knew that already.

1984Now · 27/06/2026 08:59

fromorbit · 27/06/2026 08:46

The Manchester election is being done with a form of Alternative Vote. So you could just vote Greens and have Labour as backup so it is devastating if the First votes are big for Labour. When days ZP was saying this:

Manchester mayor race direct fight between Greens and Reform, claims Zack Polanski

https:/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/manchester-mayor-race-greens-reform-zack-polanski-b1286867.html

I think Labour will win round 1 very well then get even more votes in round 2.

The result in 2028/9 is going to depend on whether Burnham goes for a different voting system. I agree if FPTP is maintained I think a Reform win is very likely though I wouldn't like to guess at the breakdown right now.

You mean the GE result in 28/29, or Manchester locally?
Once left voters see there's momentum in tactically voting for the left party most likely to oust Reform, I can see those second places rack up for Farage.

fromorbit · 27/06/2026 08:46

1984Now · 27/06/2026 08:14

But it won't be close in the end. When it appears that Labour and Reform stay neck and neck, Green and LD voters will en masse switch to Labour, probably some Tory voters too.
At the GE as well, Reform will probably average 35% all over the UK, but score plenty of second places.

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The Manchester election is being done with a form of Alternative Vote. So you could just vote Greens and have Labour as backup so it is devastating if the First votes are big for Labour. When days ZP was saying this:

Manchester mayor race direct fight between Greens and Reform, claims Zack Polanski

https:/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/manchester-mayor-race-greens-reform-zack-polanski-b1286867.html

I think Labour will win round 1 very well then get even more votes in round 2.

The result in 2028/9 is going to depend on whether Burnham goes for a different voting system. I agree if FPTP is maintained I think a Reform win is very likely though I wouldn't like to guess at the breakdown right now.

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1984Now · 27/06/2026 08:14

fromorbit · 27/06/2026 03:36

It is clear we are heading for some serious internal discord in the Greens as we discussed earlier. The argument over the anti Zionism motion combined with the attempt to stop disciplining racists is going to dominate the conference.

Mothin is up for re-election in 2027. I think he will see serious opposition and probably lose. It could get very vicious.

The argument over the existence of biology is going to be part of this especially as the court cases come in and the Greens probably lose them.

Alongside this the prospect of easy Green gains may recede with Burnham coming in. It looks like the Greens are going to get hammered in Manchester Mayoralty, despite an attempt to claim it was going to be a Reform vs Greens election.

One of the first polls for the Manchester Mayoral election, which was triggered by the resignation of Andy Burnham, shows just how much of a tight race it is between Reform and Labour.
The survey, carried out by FocalData on behalf of campaign group Hope Not Hate, put Labour on 33.2 per cent of first preference support, with Reform UK close behind on 30.1 per cent.
The Greens were third on 12.5 per cent, followed by the Conservatives on 11.1 per cent and the Liberal Democrats on 7.6 per cent.
https://leftfootforward.org/2026/06/manchester-mayoral-election-poll-shows-just-how-close-it-is-between-reform-and-labour/

Green Party returns inadmissible donation from Polanski

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6219yym2g1o

But it won't be close in the end. When it appears that Labour and Reform stay neck and neck, Green and LD voters will en masse switch to Labour, probably some Tory voters too.
At the GE as well, Reform will probably average 35% all over the UK, but score plenty of second places.

1984Now · 27/06/2026 08:11

fromorbit · 27/06/2026 03:36

It is clear we are heading for some serious internal discord in the Greens as we discussed earlier. The argument over the anti Zionism motion combined with the attempt to stop disciplining racists is going to dominate the conference.

Mothin is up for re-election in 2027. I think he will see serious opposition and probably lose. It could get very vicious.

The argument over the existence of biology is going to be part of this especially as the court cases come in and the Greens probably lose them.

Alongside this the prospect of easy Green gains may recede with Burnham coming in. It looks like the Greens are going to get hammered in Manchester Mayoralty, despite an attempt to claim it was going to be a Reform vs Greens election.

One of the first polls for the Manchester Mayoral election, which was triggered by the resignation of Andy Burnham, shows just how much of a tight race it is between Reform and Labour.
The survey, carried out by FocalData on behalf of campaign group Hope Not Hate, put Labour on 33.2 per cent of first preference support, with Reform UK close behind on 30.1 per cent.
The Greens were third on 12.5 per cent, followed by the Conservatives on 11.1 per cent and the Liberal Democrats on 7.6 per cent.
https://leftfootforward.org/2026/06/manchester-mayoral-election-poll-shows-just-how-close-it-is-between-reform-and-labour/

Green Party returns inadmissible donation from Polanski

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6219yym2g1o

Maybe Polanski should have paid his council tax first before making this donation?

fromorbit · 27/06/2026 03:36

Lalgarh · 24/06/2026 10:08

Doubtful. They'll double down.

Though you can see how this might mutate. Your Party had left wing activists chase out Gaza independents Adnan Hussain and Iqbal Mohammed on the grounds they are transphobic landlords. They themselves cited Islamophobia.

Most of this Global Majority ppl are not likely to do the same as many if not most are Muslim themselves. How they accommodate the LGBTQ faction when say an independent Palestine starts enacting it's socially conservative policy is anyone's guess

It is clear we are heading for some serious internal discord in the Greens as we discussed earlier. The argument over the anti Zionism motion combined with the attempt to stop disciplining racists is going to dominate the conference.

Mothin is up for re-election in 2027. I think he will see serious opposition and probably lose. It could get very vicious.

The argument over the existence of biology is going to be part of this especially as the court cases come in and the Greens probably lose them.

Alongside this the prospect of easy Green gains may recede with Burnham coming in. It looks like the Greens are going to get hammered in Manchester Mayoralty, despite an attempt to claim it was going to be a Reform vs Greens election.

One of the first polls for the Manchester Mayoral election, which was triggered by the resignation of Andy Burnham, shows just how much of a tight race it is between Reform and Labour.
The survey, carried out by FocalData on behalf of campaign group Hope Not Hate, put Labour on 33.2 per cent of first preference support, with Reform UK close behind on 30.1 per cent.
The Greens were third on 12.5 per cent, followed by the Conservatives on 11.1 per cent and the Liberal Democrats on 7.6 per cent.
https://leftfootforward.org/2026/06/manchester-mayoral-election-poll-shows-just-how-close-it-is-between-reform-and-labour/

Green Party returns inadmissible donation from Polanski

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6219yym2g1o

Zack Polanski

Green Party returns inadmissible donation from Zack Polanski

Under UK electoral law parties can only accept money from people on the UK electoral register.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6219yym2g1o

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womendeserveequalhumanrights · 27/06/2026 02:13

School budgets would mean that they could only afford to hire male teachers.

Just bonkers.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 27/06/2026 02:13

It's so bonkers only a man could have written that, it would be so terrible for women in the workplace. And to be anti-Csection at the same time which is something where women should be able to make that choice.

I mean apart from anything else how's it going to work for cash strapped schools and teachers (mainly female at Primary). They'd need a number of extra teachers at least, to cover all the absences. And what does this mean for continuity for all the SEND children who need consistent 1 to 1a when all the female TRAS (again, most of them) are having to take 3 days off every month.

I can only conclude the Green Party is filled with dimwits and misogynists. That's the only possible explanation.

Lalgarh · 26/06/2026 21:36

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 26/06/2026 20:16

How so? In what way can menstrual leave be about not excluding men.

I posted this on the free birthing thread, but it's only a few years since the greens were advocating natural birth and were explicitly anti caesarian sections. Beth Rigby was still having to take Polanski to task about it earlier this year

lcakethereforeIam · 26/06/2026 21:08

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 26/06/2026 20:16

How so? In what way can menstrual leave be about not excluding men.

It's about using terminology about things that only happen to women; menstruation, pregnancy, even stuff that no woman wants to have like cervical cancer, without excluding men with lady feelz.

Obviously menstrual leave is something only women would be eligible for. Saying so in simple English would make men who identify as women vanish... apparently. As if it would be that easy. Even if we wanted to,

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/06/2026 21:00

The language is dehumanising and the policy would almost certainly lead to employers being less likely to employ women. Also, it gives a false impression of how difficult life is during menstruation. I had endometriosis. Day 1 of my period was often pretty bad but even when things were at their worst I didn't need three days off every month.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 26/06/2026 20:16

lcakethereforeIam · 26/06/2026 19:52

I doubt if it's just about gender addled women. I suspect they're barely a consideration. It's about not excluding men.

How so? In what way can menstrual leave be about not excluding men.

lcakethereforeIam · 26/06/2026 19:52

I doubt if it's just about gender addled women. I suspect they're barely a consideration. It's about not excluding men.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 26/06/2026 19:44

Thanks for the link, it's such as gross insult to reduce a human to a body function, all to the placate gender addled women, how can they be impressed by this. I know they're fruitloops but FFS do they have no self respect or dignity at all.
I wonder if the fact that's it's man proposing this is significant, it's not them that want it, it's just an excuse for another man to control women.

Lalgarh · 24/06/2026 10:08

Doubtful. They'll double down.

Though you can see how this might mutate. Your Party had left wing activists chase out Gaza independents Adnan Hussain and Iqbal Mohammed on the grounds they are transphobic landlords. They themselves cited Islamophobia.

Most of this Global Majority ppl are not likely to do the same as many if not most are Muslim themselves. How they accommodate the LGBTQ faction when say an independent Palestine starts enacting it's socially conservative policy is anyone's guess

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 24/06/2026 09:44

fromorbit · 24/06/2026 09:24

The Greens could be about to get even more sinister
The party could soon embrace more extremism if Zack Polanski’s internal critics get their way
https://archive.is/8IN3f

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/21/green-party-even-more-sinister-zack-polanski-left-wing/

Thanks for the link, I'm getting a John Hurt in the diner vibe.

"More than 30 local election candidates were accused of spreading such venom on social media last month, leading to nearly a dozen suspensions and two arrests. Yet this, the GMG insists, is an example of persecution of “Global Majority candidates and those who support Palestinian liberation”, supporting an atmosphere that supposedly “demonises migrants and Muslims” as well as “women”.

When they finally burst out in all their slimy, vicious glory will the Pally Panderers finally see the light and be as sicken by they're useful idiot actions as I am.