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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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fromorbit · 02/05/2026 11:45

Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Greens internal drama warms up | Mumsnet

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts. *How the Green Party forgot...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

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ArabellaScott · 09/07/2026 12:17

Lalgarh · 09/07/2026 11:05

Polanski rates Gary Stevenson as having taught him about the wealth tax he advocates.

This must be his first non YouTube appearance actually fronting a documentary

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2026/jul/08/how-to-get-filthy-rich-with-gary-stevenson-review-channel-4

Garynomics

😂

1984Now · 09/07/2026 11:48

Lalgarh · 09/07/2026 11:05

Polanski rates Gary Stevenson as having taught him about the wealth tax he advocates.

This must be his first non YouTube appearance actually fronting a documentary

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2026/jul/08/how-to-get-filthy-rich-with-gary-stevenson-review-channel-4

Hasn't he been moaning on Piers Morgan's show that he hates all the attention of being hyper visible, and just wants to work in a library on research.
So, what's stopping him?

1984Now · 02/07/2026 15:36

lcakethereforeIam · 02/07/2026 15:06

“As far as I know, people haven’t been expelled simply for being gender-critical and, if they have, that should never happen,” she says. Suspension as a result of someone being accused of transphobic language or actions is one thing, Lucas says, whereas those who are gender-critical but “perfectly respectful – I don’t think we should be hounding those people out of the party”.

'As far as I know', is a pretty paltry fig leaf. Wasn't she in charge when exactly this was happening.

Precisely how can members be GC but still be considered 'perfectly respectful'. We've seen time and time again; Upton, the Darlington nurses, the current tribunal, there's no acceptable way to be openly GC. I wish she'd have given an acceptable example. The GI brigade get away with calling for murder.

I know the inside story of a prominent Green who was treated as if she was a criminal, or more accurately, a traitor to the cause.
Silence, innuendo, cold shouldering, group shaming.
This is no group of people you want anywhere near running this country.
And this is before Polanski's caste took over, it must be 10x worse now.
If you heard her story as relayed to me, you'd see everything they say about weaponised cancel culture is accurate.

lcakethereforeIam · 02/07/2026 15:06

“As far as I know, people haven’t been expelled simply for being gender-critical and, if they have, that should never happen,” she says. Suspension as a result of someone being accused of transphobic language or actions is one thing, Lucas says, whereas those who are gender-critical but “perfectly respectful – I don’t think we should be hounding those people out of the party”.

'As far as I know', is a pretty paltry fig leaf. Wasn't she in charge when exactly this was happening.

Precisely how can members be GC but still be considered 'perfectly respectful'. We've seen time and time again; Upton, the Darlington nurses, the current tribunal, there's no acceptable way to be openly GC. I wish she'd have given an acceptable example. The GI brigade get away with calling for murder.

Lalgarh · 02/07/2026 10:31

There's a series on R4/ BBC sounds called 10 fights that shaped the green movement. I've not listened to all of them but heard the one yesterday about the People Party, which later became the greens.

I had no idea it was founded by Teddy Goldsmith or that his nephew Zack (now Tory peer. Ex London Mayoral candidate) succeeded him as editor of the Ecologist magazine he founded. It was about the blue- red axis and the fight for trying to overcome that, which with ZP seems to have gone full left populist.

fromorbit · 02/07/2026 10:28

1984Now · 02/07/2026 10:16

Sorry Caroline Lucas, but get lost. I know someone who was very prominent in the party (would have been a cabinet minister had they won power), and was treated like shit for over a year for calmly and reasonably expressed GC opinions, zero hate speech, forcing her out of the party.
How would Lucas like it if her and other members who aren't rabid anti Zionists are similarly treated?

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It is the face eating leopards story all over again and again.

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1984Now · 02/07/2026 10:16

Sorry Caroline Lucas, but get lost. I know someone who was very prominent in the party (would have been a cabinet minister had they won power), and was treated like shit for over a year for calmly and reasonably expressed GC opinions, zero hate speech, forcing her out of the party.
How would Lucas like it if her and other members who aren't rabid anti Zionists are similarly treated?

fromorbit · 02/07/2026 10:10

Interview with Caroline Lucas making waves mainly because her comments on the Zionist row.

Her comments on the anti-woman stance in the party are revealing because what she says should not happen has happened women have been targeted for asserting reality.

Caroline Lucas: The Greens Have Been "Really Burnt" By Progressive Alliances With Labour

The party has also been criticised by some in recent years for its expulsion of ‘gender-critical’ members who oppose its policy on self-identification. Does Lucas think the zero-tolerance approach that has been taken is the right one?

“As far as I know, people haven’t been expelled simply for being gender-critical and, if they have, that should never happen,” she says. Suspension as a result of someone being accused of transphobic language or actions is one thing, Lucas says, whereas those who are gender-critical but “perfectly respectful – I don’t think we should be hounding those people out of the party”.

It seems inevitable that as the Greens grow, factional infighting will become more common. When asked what her advice would be, Lucas strikes a maternal tone: “There needs to be an awful lot more willingness to hear views that aren’t necessarily your own. We need to find ways of handling difference in our party, and all parties, in a better way.”

She continues: “If there’s transphobia or homophobia or any kind of race hate, that is completely unacceptable. But most of this stuff is much more about differences of views that we ought to be able to find ways to handle better.”

Very revealing:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/caroline-lucas-greens-really-burnt-progressive-alliances-labour

Lucas has been accused of trash talking ZP in the interview. This is her defence illustrating exactly the drama in the part:

https://nitter.net/CarolineLucas/status/2072284648730755185

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ArabellaScott · 02/07/2026 09:54

case management hearing on 10 September, Eresh, so hopefully sometime soon after that?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/07/2026 09:46

I planted seeds in this case at the beginning, it’s dragged on for years! Hope she gets a date for the hearing soon.

fromorbit · 02/07/2026 09:44

ArabellaScott · 01/07/2026 21:39

Video from Emma Bateman.

'I have with contributions from Baroness Claire Fox, who explains why my case is important politically, and my solicitor Elizabeth McGlone, who sets out my legal case against the Green Party.
I hope that the film will help to raise awareness of my case and raise funds for my next court date, which is a case management hearing on 10 September. Following that hearing, I hope to finally have the timetable for the hearing of the actual case laid out - it has been a long time coming!'

Go Emma! Her case is going to rock the Greens.

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ArabellaScott · 01/07/2026 21:39

Video from Emma Bateman.

'I have with contributions from Baroness Claire Fox, who explains why my case is important politically, and my solicitor Elizabeth McGlone, who sets out my legal case against the Green Party.
I hope that the film will help to raise awareness of my case and raise funds for my next court date, which is a case management hearing on 10 September. Following that hearing, I hope to finally have the timetable for the hearing of the actual case laid out - it has been a long time coming!'

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PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/07/2026 14:13

Although in Farage's case Coutts closed his account in part because he was no longer a high net worth individual. This was before he received the £5 million bung from the crypto billionaire of course

Chersfrozenface · 01/07/2026 14:09

Although in Farage's case Coutts closed his account in part due to his views being considered incompatible with the bank's "values or purpose".

The bank's own documents, released when Farage made a subject access request, said as much.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/07/2026 12:59

Banks typically freeze accounts when there is suspected fraud or other criminal activity e.g. sanctions busting. The bank cannot tell the individual the details of why the account is frozen because that would tip off the criminals that the authorities are on to them.

ArabellaScott · 01/07/2026 12:18

I had a quick look to see what they'd said about Farage getting debunked, but htey have published so fuckin many pieces on him that I gave up equally quickly.

lcakethereforeIam · 01/07/2026 12:13

The first person I heard about being debunked was through a thread on MN, she was a National Front type and, iirc, wasn't getting much sympathy. I mentioned her in one of the threads about Farage getting debunked. Now this.

However unsympathetic these people and organisations are it wasn't right then, it isn't right now. Although I'm allowing myself a smirk because the Canary published an article claiming 'cancelling' wasn't a thing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/07/2026 12:03

I agree. I bet they made fun of Farage and others complaining about though.

ArabellaScott · 01/07/2026 11:32

Oh, dear.

The Canary may be a bunch of pricks, but debanking media is potentially worrying.

Lalgarh · 01/07/2026 10:57

Probably of more interest to the Your Party thread, but ex Corbyn supporting news site Canary (rivals of hated Skwawkbox against the Tory mainstream corporate media that IS Novara 😂) have been "debanked"

https://nitter.net/TheCanaryUK/status/2071930062715195608#m

ArabellaScott · 30/06/2026 11:46

I do recommend the Garbett interview in audio.

The pauses and hesitation are very interesting and don't translate in type.

Starts at 5.13, if the timestamp doesn't work.

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fromorbit · 30/06/2026 05:34

The Greens are digging themselves into a hole.

Janet Murray

Oof. This TimesRadio interview with Green Party Mayor of Hackney Zoe Garbett is pure second-hand embarrassment. When pushed, she says trans women in Hackney should be able to use women's spaces. But she spends most of the interview trying not to actually say that. Presumably because she knows the legal and political difficulties with doing so. Instead, she deflects to domestic violence, claims the Supreme Court ruling doesn't protect women, and repeats that "trans women are women" and face high levels of sexual violence. None of which engage with the substance of the question - or the law.

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1984Now · 29/06/2026 20:37

It's amazing, isn't it. She uses circular language against women, and circular language to evade saying biological men should access women's spaces.
To choose a hill to die on where you spit in the face of women, but avoid fully admitting to the thing that leads you to letting women down, is a marvel of obfuscation.
The slicing of the onion is getting thinner and thinner.

A lot to juggle like who are those pesky women exactly. It is difficult not to advocate breaking the law. The other issue is she relies on the votes of a lot of ethnic minority voters especially Muslims.

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ArabellaScott · 29/06/2026 21:55

fromorbit · 28/06/2026 17:26

Very interesting the fact this has been placed in the Guardian makes me think this is part of a move by the leadership against the Mothin faction in advance of the potential zionist drama at conference.

Greens examining how party decides policy as membership triples under Zack Polanski
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/28/greens-examining-how-party-decides-policy-as-membership-triples-under-zack-polanski

Things are going to get very interesting in the Greens..

I struggle to imagine the chaos tbh. Almost worth rejoining just to watch it play out.