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Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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fromorbit · 02/05/2026 11:45

Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Greens internal drama warms up | Mumsnet

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts. *How the Green Party forgot...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2026 10:47

The term is 'useful idiot'.

Lalgarh · 05/09/2026 10:39

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2026 09:53

That exchange was funny.

Owen Jones managed to make himself look totally out of touch with reality and the politics of Gaza.

Oh yes little Owen was insisting he spoke for queer Muslims the other day, when he was asserting something about how Sharia Law isn't a threat to LGBTQ people or something. I mentioned before he's now signed up to Zeteo which is the purported anti je billionaire news outlet being promoted by Mehdi Hassan. He who wrote a classically "hate the sin love the sinner" piece on homosexuality and was filmed referring to non Muslims as animals but who is seen as left wing because Palestine

https://www.newstatesman.com/uncategorized/2013/05/muslim-i-struggle-idea-homosexuality-i-oppose-homophobia

As a Muslim, I struggle with the idea of homosexuality – but I oppose homophobia

I've made homophobic remarks in the past, writes Mehdi Hasan, but now I’ve grown up — and reconciled my Islamic beliefs with my attitude to gay rights.

https://www.newstatesman.com/uncategorized/2013/05/muslim-i-struggle-idea-homosexuality-i-oppose-homophobia

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 05/09/2026 10:16

Thanks for the link to the Daily Fail, pissed off that they kept referring to him with his stolen pronouns, and it seems he's suspended because of his vile Jew hatred. As he should be, but the fact that he's a male and therefore should not have been allowed to stand for a seat that the Green's had set aside for a female, seems to be secondary to the Omnicause complaint. 😤

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2026 09:53

Chersfrozenface · 05/09/2026 09:45

Meanwhile on X Owen Jones got into an argument with a Gaza women who told him there were no LGBT people in Gaza.

Point 1: is LOJ still on the Twix? I thought it was the medium of the devil.

Point 2: ha ha ha ha ha ha.

That exchange was funny.

Owen Jones managed to make himself look totally out of touch with reality and the politics of Gaza.

Chersfrozenface · 05/09/2026 09:45

Meanwhile on X Owen Jones got into an argument with a Gaza women who told him there were no LGBT people in Gaza.

Point 1: is LOJ still on the Twix? I thought it was the medium of the devil.

Point 2: ha ha ha ha ha ha.

fromorbit · 05/09/2026 08:51

I think Folan's suspension was fast tracked because Zippy wants to be an MP.

A whole year of mad Zack
How Zack Polanski and the doolally left conquered the Green Party.
Happy first anniversary to the most preposterous party leader Britain has ever had. Yes, it’s 12 months since Zack Polanski took the reins of the Greens. Twelve months since he left behind his tit-whispering days to become the pied piper of woke pricks everywhere. And what an unintentionally comical 12 months it has been.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/09/04/a-whole-year-of-mad-zack/

Meanwhile on X Owen Jones got into an argument with a Gaza women who told him there were no LGBT people in Gaza.

A whole year of mad Zack

How Zack Polanski and the doolally left conquered the Green Party.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/09/04/a-whole-year-of-mad-zack/

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fromorbit · 05/09/2026 08:17

Folan is suspended. Given his well documented abuse of other members and Caroline Lucas former leaders of the party and racist comments hardly surprising. If Folan had just stuck to being sexist he would have got away with it.

Note Folan will blame this on the Jews and implicitly Zack Polanski though maybe women will get some blame too.

Greens SUSPEND 'trans Communist' appointed to woman-only post as party faces legal action from members
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16105399/Greens-legal-action-trans-appointed-woman.html

I hadn't seen this old article from the Norwich Evening News from August 21st which actually reveals how awful Folan is.
https://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/26484421.norwich-green-activist-eleanora-folan-given-key-party-role/

Greens SUSPEND 'trans Communist' appointed to woman-only post

Eleanora Folan, who describes herself as a communist and 'anti-Zionist', won a vote last month to represent the Eastern Region on the council in a women's role.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16105399/Greens-legal-action-trans-appointed-woman.html

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PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/09/2026 15:59

iwishitwouldstartraining · 04/09/2026 15:52

Did they make use of the all women short list legislation to create postions that are specifically for women or is this different?

The Eastern Region send two delegates to the Green Party Council. One male & one female or in this case two males. It's illegal for a male to take the place intended for a biological female.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 04/09/2026 15:52

ArabellaScott · 04/09/2026 13:58

The text in case links are tricky:

'The Green Party is facing a fresh legal challenge after a transgender activist was elected to a position designed to boost female representation on one of its most powerful internal bodies.

Eleanora Folan, a self-described “trans communist” who has called for “glory to the Iranian resistance”, won a vote last month to represent the Eastern Region on the Green Party Council in its women’s place.

Gender-critical Greens said the result appeared incompatible with the Supreme Court ruling last year that “woman” and “sex” in the Equality Act 2010 referred to biological sex, and that they were consulting lawyers.'

Did they make use of the all women short list legislation to create postions that are specifically for women or is this different?

ArabellaScott · 04/09/2026 13:58

The text in case links are tricky:

'The Green Party is facing a fresh legal challenge after a transgender activist was elected to a position designed to boost female representation on one of its most powerful internal bodies.

Eleanora Folan, a self-described “trans communist” who has called for “glory to the Iranian resistance”, won a vote last month to represent the Eastern Region on the Green Party Council in its women’s place.

Gender-critical Greens said the result appeared incompatible with the Supreme Court ruling last year that “woman” and “sex” in the Equality Act 2010 referred to biological sex, and that they were consulting lawyers.'

ArabellaScott · 04/09/2026 11:57

I'm not making the obvious joke about them identifying as lawyers.

SwirlyGates · 04/09/2026 11:38

Thanks. Excellent news!

"The party is already dealing with what its own treasurer has described as a “substantial exposure to legal claims” under the Equality Act, which delayed the publication of its annual accounts."

Well, good.

"A Green Party spokesperson said: “All elections to Green Party positions are held in accordance with our rules and constitution, and we always act within the law.""

Wonder who their lawyers are, then, that they don't understand such basic issues?

Edit: posted before I read this bit. "It follows warnings from the Green Party’s own lawyers over the potential consequences of its approach."

PachacutisBadAuntie · 04/09/2026 11:33

ProudWomanXX · 04/09/2026 11:32

Sorry! I used the share code, so no idea why .

There's been problems with the Times share tokens for a few days now

ProudWomanXX · 04/09/2026 11:32

SwirlyGates · 04/09/2026 11:28

@ProudWomanXX that just takes me to the Times home page.

Sorry! I used the share code, so no idea why .

SwirlyGates · 04/09/2026 11:28

@ProudWomanXX that just takes me to the Times home page.

IwantToRetire · 03/09/2026 17:45

I think as with most elections, it will be more about how people feel "against" other parties.

So suspect this by election will be as much about Burnham's supposed positive impact. ie Labour now more popular than Reform since Starmer stepped down.

And whether the negative coverage of various Green gaffs that have been reported since local elections, will have made some think maybe the Greens aren't the "not as bad as everybody else".

The recent Green success was in most instances wanting to get rid of Labour.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/09/2026 16:12

I can't see Polanski being elected. It's too soon into Burnham's premiership and many are still waiting to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Chersfrozenface · 03/09/2026 16:07

<sigh> my message was hidden presumably because I linked to a page on a site called Oddschecker specific to the by-election. Just for a bit of fun.

DrBlackbird · 03/09/2026 16:01

Right. If Zippy gets elected, I will have to swear off British politics for the foreseeable future. It would be like seeing The Office coming to life. So painfully cringy you can’t watch it.

Chersfrozenface · 03/09/2026 15:45

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This reply has been hidden until the MNHQ team can have a look at it.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 03/09/2026 15:40

It seems we could start with a book on whether Zippy will even be selected by his own party to stand in the by-election. 😂

fromorbit · 03/09/2026 15:35

The Greens are coming for north London
Noa Hoffman

In recent months, Labour has shown that where the Greens lead, it will often follow – even if only halfway up the garden path. The by-election will place huge pressure on Burnham to move further to the left. Labour HQ, however, is determined to attack the Greens as hard as possible. This is relatively easy, given that the party’s membership provides almost endless material for ridicule. Ahead of its conference in October, member-submitted motions range from giving ‘people who menstruate’ an additional 36 days of paid annual leave to disbanding the Prevent programme and forging closer ties with the IRGC.

The question for Labour is how far Burnham and his eventual candidate should go to chase those votes. Some senior MPs believe it should refrain from launching negative attacks on its rival party, focusing instead on Burnham’s positive agenda. Others believe that, even in an area as progressive as Holborn and St Pancras, highlighting Polanski’s extreme positions will deter potential Green voters and push them towards Labour.

https://archive.is/nuAdQ

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Chersfrozenface · 03/09/2026 15:29

However Zippy has a problem his hopes of standing in Keir Starmer's seat could be denied by his own party members who would prefer a Palestinian candidate or co-operation with a pro-Gaza independent, leaked WhatsApp messages from activists in Holborn and St Pancras reveal.

I can't see Zippy reacting well to that.

(And now the image in my head is the puppet from Rainbow spitting feathers.)