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Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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fromorbit · 02/05/2026 11:45

Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Greens internal drama warms up | Mumsnet

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts. *How the Green Party forgot...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

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DrBlackbird · 07/06/2026 20:31

What flag is this?? Tried looking it up but couldn’t pinpoint it.

Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3
DrBlackbird · 07/06/2026 20:08

lcakethereforeIam · 23/05/2026 08:34

Well this will be interesting 😳

https://archive.ph/Knu8U

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/23/green-councils-plot-to-scrap-gcse-block-immigration-raid/

I'm glad my council didn't fall to the Greenshirts.

As the left swing to crazy leftie ideas, the right will swing further right.

On the one hand we have the Green priorities including “twinning with a Palestinian town”, decolonising public spaces, and establishing a slavery museum to acknowledge the area’s links to the transatlantic slave trade. Planning to refuse to share information with immigration enforcement agencies and will instead “support” those targeted by raids. Those come straight from the left in the US but also may be designed to appeal to the Muslim voters abandoning Labour.

Plus, Greens want to Explore ways to decriminalise prostitution, deprioritise the policing of cannabis, and lobby the Government to scrap “high-stakes formal testing” in schools such as GCSEs and A-levels. They also hope to convince the Supreme Court to rewrite the Code of Practice, which would “allow for trans inclusion in single-sex services” Ignoring their misunderstanding of the SC decision and the CoP, these seem designed to appeal to the blue haired brigade.

On the other, rumours of Restore members in Makerfield wearing what allegedly looked like paramilitary hit with GB flags (but which might be their own merch) as well as the likes of Alex Karp publishing his manifesto arguing democracy in the US now needs to restrict input to elected state officials and tech companies execs because the left in America are unreliable crazies (words to that effect).

All very worrying.

Shortshriftandlethal · 07/06/2026 19:35

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 07/06/2026 19:03

Thanks for the link, it's hard not to think there's some sort of world wide conspiracy going on, the Greens in particular stand out as the part that is contaminated the worst.

Someday someone will have to write a book, explaining who makes up the cabal of shady billionaires who are behind miserable new world order.

I honestly think it has been a product of our times: the culmination and apotheosis of various threads and strands of identity politics, Intersectionality, the women's and gay rights movements....combined with the power of social media to create group think and the money of silicone valley and the tech bros.
Add to the mix the American cult of individualism ( be your best/true self etc) combined with consumer and pharmaceutical culture. The perfect set of conditions for a self serving, reality denying cult to take hold.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 07/06/2026 19:03

Shortshriftandlethal · 07/06/2026 15:29

And in Australia:

Australian Greens co-founder Drew Hutton has quit, declaring the party ‘beyond reform’ and doomed to vanish within a decade. He blames its takeover by extreme gender ideology and identity politics...

https://x.com/bindelj/status/2063557233837736389?s=20

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Thanks for the link, it's hard not to think there's some sort of world wide conspiracy going on, the Greens in particular stand out as the part that is contaminated the worst.

Someday someone will have to write a book, explaining who makes up the cabal of shady billionaires who are behind miserable new world order.

Shortshriftandlethal · 07/06/2026 15:29

And in Australia:

Australian Greens co-founder Drew Hutton has quit, declaring the party ‘beyond reform’ and doomed to vanish within a decade. He blames its takeover by extreme gender ideology and identity politics...

https://x.com/bindelj/status/2063557233837736389?s=20

Julie Bindel (@bindelj) on X

https://t.co/f5rWKP1R8I

https://x.com/bindelj/status/2063557233837736389?s=20

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/06/2026 10:35

fromorbit · 06/06/2026 08:02

mANCHESTER Evening News actually calls Women’s rights campaigners accurately .

Women’s rights campaigners criticise Green MP Hannah Spencer amid single sex spaces row
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/womens-rights-campaigners-criticise-green-34068790

Someone needs to tell Hannah that 'discrimination' simply means being able to tell the difference between one thing and another: your arse from your elbow. It can be a useful skill.

Lalgarh · 06/06/2026 10:26

Chersfrozenface · 06/06/2026 07:19

From the Standard, about Lewisham's new Green mayor.

"Liam Shrivastava will be paid £93,575-a-year, up from the £88,743 wage received by his Labour predecessor - a rise of 5.4%."

Apparently he has "the intention to donate 20% of the Directly Elected Mayor’s allowance to food justice initiatives". To adapt a Scottish phrase, does he, aye?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/green-mayor-lewisham-salary-liam-shrivastava-b1285054.html

Keep an eye out for any camper vans appearing near his house

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Chersfrozenface · 06/06/2026 07:19

From the Standard, about Lewisham's new Green mayor.

"Liam Shrivastava will be paid £93,575-a-year, up from the £88,743 wage received by his Labour predecessor - a rise of 5.4%."

Apparently he has "the intention to donate 20% of the Directly Elected Mayor’s allowance to food justice initiatives". To adapt a Scottish phrase, does he, aye?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/green-mayor-lewisham-salary-liam-shrivastava-b1285054.html

New Green Mayor hikes salary by almost £5,000 despite vowing to cut pay

Lewisham Mayor Liam Shrivastava vowed to take a 20% pay cut but instead hiked his wage by £4,832 and said 20% would be donated to ‘food justice initiatives’

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/green-mayor-lewisham-salary-liam-shrivastava-b1285054.html

Lalgarh · 05/06/2026 11:26

Statement from Corbyn

https://nitter.net/jeremycorbyn/status/2062777641078264278#m

Not sure if Salma Yaqoob is a relative of Akhmed Yakoob the Tiktok lawyer who was contesting in Birmingham on apro Gaza ticket

ArabellaScott · 05/06/2026 10:55

Mothin Ali has just been on Facebook rambling about people being firebombed and societal division, etc. As far as I can tell, he was talking about this:

https://www.facebook.com/birmingham.live/posts/shocked-family-members-have-expressed-their-anger-and-fear-after-they-woke-to-fi/1467260125444095/

'It is feared those responsible deliberately targeted the Yaqoob family, who are well known in political circles and have recently been involved in election campaigns in Birmingham and the Gorton and Denton by-election.'
...
'Political activist Salma Yaqoob, former leader of the Respect Party and now involved in political campaigning with the Green Party'

Not quite sure what's going on, it all seems quite messy and disturbing. And factions galore, with Labour/Green/Respect politicians all seeming to move back and forth between parties and fall out with each other.

Birmingham Live

Shocked family members have expressed their anger and fear after they woke to find a car on their driveway had been torched by arsonists and was threatening to spread to their home. Those...

https://www.facebook.com/birmingham.live/posts/shocked-family-members-have-expressed-their-anger-and-fear-after-they-woke-to-fi/1467260125444095

Lalgarh · 05/06/2026 10:45

In the Gorton and Denton by election Polanski and Plumber Hannah Spencer went on the 5pillars media channel to butter up their pro Palestine credentials and court the Ummah vote

5p have now issued a guide for how to "navigate" pride month.

https://nitter.net/FaulMcPartney/status/2062511788680233070#m

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/06/2026 21:24

From the Twix thread

Unfathomable depths of stupidity
Says it all really.

Why do these 2 nasty people want to come here anyway, and why does ZP want anything to do with them?

1984Now · 01/06/2026 19:25

Lalgarh · 01/06/2026 19:00

ZP This morning: agreeing with Caroline Lucas that the greens need to engage with potential Reform voters to understand why they would do such a thing

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/30/green-leaders-warn-party-it-must-listen-to-reform-voters-concerns-to-tackle-inequality.

Zack this afternoon: bewailing the home office blocking US dog shocking edgelord left wing influencer Hassan Piker ("America deserved 9/11" style of thing) and his uncle Cenk Uighur from entering the UK. Recently visited Cuba in an attempt to bust sanctions alongside Little Owen Jones, except HP is a multimillionaire who was flashing his Cartier watch there

https://nitter.net/OzKaterji/status/2061375494247919856#m

Poor Kaya

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us-streamers/whats-behind-the-free-kaya-slogan-that-crashed-hasanabis-livestream/articleshow/125775155.cms

https://nitter.net/Awk20000/status/1996296116858757342#m

Does anyone think a PM Polanski would give a visa to Billboard Chris, Abigail Shrier or Kara Dansky if they applied to come over to the UK to talk criticise the medical industry associated with gender?

Lalgarh · 01/06/2026 19:00

ZP This morning: agreeing with Caroline Lucas that the greens need to engage with potential Reform voters to understand why they would do such a thing

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/30/green-leaders-warn-party-it-must-listen-to-reform-voters-concerns-to-tackle-inequality.

Zack this afternoon: bewailing the home office blocking US dog shocking edgelord left wing influencer Hassan Piker ("America deserved 9/11" style of thing) and his uncle Cenk Uighur from entering the UK. Recently visited Cuba in an attempt to bust sanctions alongside Little Owen Jones, except HP is a multimillionaire who was flashing his Cartier watch there

https://nitter.net/OzKaterji/status/2061375494247919856#m

Poor Kaya

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us-streamers/whats-behind-the-free-kaya-slogan-that-crashed-hasanabis-livestream/articleshow/125775155.cms

https://nitter.net/Awk20000/status/1996296116858757342#m

Green leaders warn party it must listen to Reform voters’ concerns to confront inequality

Zack Polanski and Caroline Lucas say party must seek to understand why disenfranchised electorate were attracted to Nigel Farage’s party

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/30/green-leaders-warn-party-it-must-listen-to-reform-voters-concerns-to-tackle-inequality

fromorbit · 01/06/2026 14:54

ZP gets a profile inn the FT they find more examples of him telling whoppers.

Zack Polanski’s journey from Liberal Democrat convert to Green leader

Another person involved in the party said, “It would be good if he didn’t post after 10pm”.
https://archive.is/Gfq5O

ZP has not been on the media much recently since the council tax scandal hit.

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Lalgarh · 26/05/2026 18:24

Green party in Newcastle to ally with the Lib Dems.

Jamie Driscoll was a big beast in the initial formation of Your Party but jumped ship late last year

https://nitter.net/charliemansell/status/2059294759177363534#m

So Jamie Driscoll's political journey is now Lab to Indy to localist party to pre Your Party ex-MOU Director to a Green propping up a Lib Dem administration.

He'll be Reform next

fromorbit · 25/05/2026 14:21

1984Now · 25/05/2026 13:13

I'm probably more minded like you, to be cautiously optimistic.
Let me phrase it another way, we've had various scandals covered by docu-dramas.
Most recently the Post Office/Horizon one, and water pollution.
C4 has been forthright in slamming these institutional failures in their brilliant exposes.
Can we really ever see them covering Tavistock as a scandal, and the ongoing dissonance with reality of the likes of the NHS and schools, and so much blowback to Cass and the SC ruling?

That will probably take a generational shift of about 20 years if ever.

It is not impossible though. Remember gen Alpha seem sceptical about gender stuff.

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1984Now · 25/05/2026 13:13

fromorbit · 25/05/2026 13:05

I hope you are wrong, but we will see.

What I think is some form of sexism is inevitable - the biological differences between men and women exist and lead inevitably to problems and biases. We need constant vigilance, but it can't be done by one sex, only together can we solve the issues we face.

We are not going to get to some kind of utopia. However I do think we can restore sanity to some institutions. Others less so. Like how can academia be changed?

One thing is certain a bunch of random women and a few sensible guys have taken on the biggest corporations, the NHS, the BBC, the universities, the trade unions, and most political parties in the UK.

And they WON! Against overwhelming odds. So while I think the fight ahead is huge I don't think it is impossible.

Moreover the fact is the opposition we face is divided - for instance many supporters of genderism were only going along because it was fashionable. They don't actually care that much about it. They are more focused on other causes like Gaza now.

Lets see where we are in 5 years.

I'm probably more minded like you, to be cautiously optimistic.
Let me phrase it another way, we've had various scandals covered by docu-dramas.
Most recently the Post Office/Horizon one, and water pollution.
C4 has been forthright in slamming these institutional failures in their brilliant exposes.
Can we really ever see them covering Tavistock as a scandal, and the ongoing dissonance with reality of the likes of the NHS and schools, and so much blowback to Cass and the SC ruling?

fromorbit · 25/05/2026 13:05

1984Now · 25/05/2026 12:33

I truly think we're not coming back from all this.
Not that women won't more and more claw their rights back, no, the law is clear now, and the ones deliberately misinforming are shown up.
I mean what I see as an irreparable break in trust between citizens, in this case women by and large, and institutions that profess to follow the law, best practices, science and common sense.
Talking NHS, schools, academia, media (looking at you, BBC), politicians (especially on the left).
Reality bites, but the hangover from 15 years of institutional capture seems impossible to shift.
The verdict on the Tavistock, the Cass Report, the SC ruling, these all should have totally rebooted and reset institutions. Instead it meant they bunkered down.
Women have won with every subsequent decision, yet institutions refuse to fess up, to take their heads out of the sand.
The nearest thing to a civil war we in the West will ever experience.

I hope you are wrong, but we will see.

What I think is some form of sexism is inevitable - the biological differences between men and women exist and lead inevitably to problems and biases. We need constant vigilance, but it can't be done by one sex, only together can we solve the issues we face.

We are not going to get to some kind of utopia. However I do think we can restore sanity to some institutions. Others less so. Like how can academia be changed?

One thing is certain a bunch of random women and a few sensible guys have taken on the biggest corporations, the NHS, the BBC, the universities, the trade unions, and most political parties in the UK.

And they WON! Against overwhelming odds. So while I think the fight ahead is huge I don't think it is impossible.

Moreover the fact is the opposition we face is divided - for instance many supporters of genderism were only going along because it was fashionable. They don't actually care that much about it. They are more focused on other causes like Gaza now.

Lets see where we are in 5 years.

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1984Now · 25/05/2026 12:33

fromorbit · 25/05/2026 12:10

JKR has got bored of dunking on OJ and is calling out deputy leader Rachel Millward's dumb take on the guidance.

J.K. Rowling
The Supreme Court has ruled that under UK law, trans people never had the rights people like you insisted they had. You misrepresented the law and cheered on the removal of women’s rights. Trans people have lost nothing except the mistaken belief you fostered.

Meanwhile nothing from Mothin on EHCR guidance for some reason. Wonder why?? Hasn't even shared anything from Millward for Polanski. Posting a lot on other topics though.

Meanwhile:

GLA considering investigation into Zack Polanski over houseboat council tax
Official assessing formal complaint into Green party leader’s potential ‘breach of conduct’ as assembly member
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/23/zack-polanski-greens-houseboat-council-tax-gla-investigation

I truly think we're not coming back from all this.
Not that women won't more and more claw their rights back, no, the law is clear now, and the ones deliberately misinforming are shown up.
I mean what I see as an irreparable break in trust between citizens, in this case women by and large, and institutions that profess to follow the law, best practices, science and common sense.
Talking NHS, schools, academia, media (looking at you, BBC), politicians (especially on the left).
Reality bites, but the hangover from 15 years of institutional capture seems impossible to shift.
The verdict on the Tavistock, the Cass Report, the SC ruling, these all should have totally rebooted and reset institutions. Instead it meant they bunkered down.
Women have won with every subsequent decision, yet institutions refuse to fess up, to take their heads out of the sand.
The nearest thing to a civil war we in the West will ever experience.

fromorbit · 25/05/2026 12:10

JKR has got bored of dunking on OJ and is calling out deputy leader Rachel Millward's dumb take on the guidance.

J.K. Rowling
The Supreme Court has ruled that under UK law, trans people never had the rights people like you insisted they had. You misrepresented the law and cheered on the removal of women’s rights. Trans people have lost nothing except the mistaken belief you fostered.

Meanwhile nothing from Mothin on EHCR guidance for some reason. Wonder why?? Hasn't even shared anything from Millward for Polanski. Posting a lot on other topics though.

Meanwhile:

GLA considering investigation into Zack Polanski over houseboat council tax
Official assessing formal complaint into Green party leader’s potential ‘breach of conduct’ as assembly member
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/23/zack-polanski-greens-houseboat-council-tax-gla-investigation

J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) on X

Author, founder of Lumos and Beira's Place, surname rhymes with bowling, not growling.

https://x.com/jk_rowling

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1984Now · 23/05/2026 14:50

Every day that goes past, the distance between viewpoints and people increases.
And the more the middle doesn't exist anymore.

Lalgarh · 23/05/2026 14:39

Yes American Discourse tends to end up being imported

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 23/05/2026 14:05

lcakethereforeIam · 23/05/2026 08:34

Well this will be interesting 😳

https://archive.ph/Knu8U

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/23/green-councils-plot-to-scrap-gcse-block-immigration-raid/

I'm glad my council didn't fall to the Greenshirts.

Thanks for the link

"A spokesman for the Green Party in Hackney said: “The election made it clear that Hackney residents want change, and we are excited to deliver that."
I have a feeling the the residents didn't know what sort of bonkers changes they've voting for.

"They will also refuse to share information with immigration enforcement agencies and will instead “support” those targeted by raids."
Another USA import, I'm beginning to think they not only put foreign nationals on the governments but the Greens are a foreign political party.

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