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Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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fromorbit · 02/05/2026 11:45

Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Greens internal drama warms up | Mumsnet

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts. *How the Green Party forgot...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

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SwirlyGates · 23/06/2026 09:39

Just when I thought I couldn't despise Polanski any more, I came across this. (It's from July 2025, so may have been shared on here before). Yes, Polanski really does think abused men with penises belong in women's DV shelters. And of course he centres the poor TiM, who he says would be at risk in a men's shelter. Sod the women, eh, Dave? "Most people think just let people get on with their lives." Then he says people are more concerned about the NHS and food supplies, which may be true but doesn't address the question.

(And neither of them address the problem of abusive male partners turning up at the shelter and demanding entry, claiming they are "women").

www.tiktok.com/@lbc/video/7530706379707829526

1984Now · 23/06/2026 09:37

Lalgarh · 23/06/2026 01:08

Polanski was on Cathy Newmans sofa of news this evening on sky news. It was all going as expected for him (labour are dude en with a new leader. Wealth tax now) until Harriet Harman decided to mention the hypnotits unpleasantness

https://nitter.net/implausibleblog/status/2069205809515335878#m

It's amazing to watch this exchange.
Harriet Harman "can't believe" Polanski would be such a liar and misogynist to make these hypnotherapy claims.
Yes Harriet, we "can't believe" you think men can become women and that you fought for PIE.
Then we see the modern MSM, Cathy Newman (who somehow has carved out a lucrative career for years) totally deflects and doesn't bear down on Polanski for an answer.
And then Polanski, not just any old politico, but a party leader, refuses to engage, turning defence into ad hominem attack with the full cover of useful idiot Newman.
There in a nutshell we have our insane politics and unfit for purpose MSM "scrutiny".

Lalgarh · 23/06/2026 01:08

Polanski was on Cathy Newmans sofa of news this evening on sky news. It was all going as expected for him (labour are dude en with a new leader. Wealth tax now) until Harriet Harman decided to mention the hypnotits unpleasantness

https://nitter.net/implausibleblog/status/2069205809515335878#m

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/06/2026 23:00

Gary Neville was incidentally the subject of Gareth Roberts’ latest “Working Class Zeroes” Substack this week.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/06/2026 22:59

SionnachRuadh · 21/06/2026 11:18

I have no intelligence on Reform candidates - they now have a bunch of councillors in the region, so I imagine there will be several contenders.

Great Yarmouth First Extended Universe will probably stand Nick Buckley.

It'll be interesting to see where Labour go. If I were advising them I'd probably say stick with Bev Craig or some other solid, unexciting local government figure. Don't be daft enough to put up Gary Neville. But what do I know, Labour bods seem to think Gary is a proletarian everyman with a mystical connection to the working class. It's a bit like the idea common on the right that Jeremy Clarkson (public schoolboy, arch Remainer, close friend of David Cameron) is an avatar of the Brexit-voting working class.

Clarkson, like Boris, can pull off the man of the people act though. Farage too, to an extent. Something that Starmer was never going to be able to do.

Shortshriftandlethal · 21/06/2026 11:54

Lalgarh · 21/06/2026 10:33

Burnham is Liverpool fan isn't he?

There's a thread already on the expected resignation/ change of PM and one poster based in Manchester is already pissed that this likely means the Manchester mayoral election will go Reform

No, he is an Everton fan.

Lalgarh · 21/06/2026 11:44

Oh no!

PrettyDamnCosmic · 21/06/2026 11:31

Lalgarh · 21/06/2026 10:33

Burnham is Liverpool fan isn't he?

There's a thread already on the expected resignation/ change of PM and one poster based in Manchester is already pissed that this likely means the Manchester mayoral election will go Reform

Burnham is Liverpool fan isn't he?

No, Everton.

SionnachRuadh · 21/06/2026 11:18

I have no intelligence on Reform candidates - they now have a bunch of councillors in the region, so I imagine there will be several contenders.

Great Yarmouth First Extended Universe will probably stand Nick Buckley.

It'll be interesting to see where Labour go. If I were advising them I'd probably say stick with Bev Craig or some other solid, unexciting local government figure. Don't be daft enough to put up Gary Neville. But what do I know, Labour bods seem to think Gary is a proletarian everyman with a mystical connection to the working class. It's a bit like the idea common on the right that Jeremy Clarkson (public schoolboy, arch Remainer, close friend of David Cameron) is an avatar of the Brexit-voting working class.

1984Now · 21/06/2026 10:49

Lalgarh · 21/06/2026 10:33

Burnham is Liverpool fan isn't he?

There's a thread already on the expected resignation/ change of PM and one poster based in Manchester is already pissed that this likely means the Manchester mayoral election will go Reform

Heard some rumours that the Reform candidate for the Manchester mayoralty will be nine other than...Rob Kenyon.
Should I put a Lol! or WTF?! after that?

Lalgarh · 21/06/2026 10:33

Burnham is Liverpool fan isn't he?

There's a thread already on the expected resignation/ change of PM and one poster based in Manchester is already pissed that this likely means the Manchester mayoral election will go Reform

Pingponghavoc · 21/06/2026 10:23

SionnachRuadh · 21/06/2026 09:20

Although as I understand it, the system Labour has snuck in for the mayoral by-election isn't full ranked choice voting, it's a 1-2 system that reallocates the second preferences of eliminated candidates.

The theory is that this will benefit Labour, e.g. even if Reform pile up votes in the outer boroughs and come top on first preferences, Labour will still win after getting loads of second preferences from the third-placed Green candidate.

But that relies on Labour being in the top two. What if they aren't?

They'll go for a personality. Always labour voters plus corrie/man united fans.

ArabellaScott · 21/06/2026 09:22

the Green Party will recruit a full-time staff member, expected to start in September, to better manage complaints

I do not envy the poor sod charged with dealing with the cutted up pears.

SionnachRuadh · 21/06/2026 09:20

Although as I understand it, the system Labour has snuck in for the mayoral by-election isn't full ranked choice voting, it's a 1-2 system that reallocates the second preferences of eliminated candidates.

The theory is that this will benefit Labour, e.g. even if Reform pile up votes in the outer boroughs and come top on first preferences, Labour will still win after getting loads of second preferences from the third-placed Green candidate.

But that relies on Labour being in the top two. What if they aren't?

fromorbit · 21/06/2026 07:31

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 23:52

As for other potential leaders, Adrian Ramsay is still in the party.

Ramsay has not signed the famous anti-women EDM. Neither has Carla Denyer but she is off work.

He has shown sign of independent thinking before though. I would not be surprised he stood for leader again though he and Ellie were decisively defeated last time. He might just do it to keep democracy functioning.

Though also he and others might find others to stand as the "sensible" Green candidates.

It looks like the Manchester Mayoralty will be a interesting fight with the Greens facing Burnham Labour and Reform. Vote on July 30 using Single Transferable Vote. So a left candidate is very likely to win but will it be Labour or Greens.

In other news Greens complaints department are overwhelmed over the racism/anti-women complaints they are getting.

Chaotic Green Party tearing itself apart over internal complaints
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/20/chaotic-green-party-internal-complaints/
Since Zack Polanski became leader last year, the Green Party has been consumed by factionalism, infighting and accusations of anti-Semitism.

Now the party’s own disciplinary committee is tearing itself apart as it tries to deal with a mounting backlog of complaints.

Members of the disciplinary committee, who are responsible for investigating and managing grievances within the Green Party, have published two differing reports into the group’s failings.

While both papers acknowledged that “resource constraints have limited proactive case management”, they disagreed over whether Mehmood Naqshbandi, the former chairman, should shoulder the blame for the committee’s shortcomings.

The so-called “majority report”, written by Bernard Ekbery and supposedly representing the majority view of committee members, claims that the chairman’s productivity was inhibited by “personal circumstances”.

Mr Ekbery said the former chairman had taken an “in-depth look” at procedures, but added: “Unfortunately, personal circumstances then intervened for an extended period. In addition, a number of legally complex cases merited lengthy, careful preparation.”

In response, Rachel Collinson published a “minority report”, representing the alternative view of committee members, which she felt compelled to do to provide members with “a clear and full picture of events”.

Her report claimed that Mr Naqshbandi “did not make any inquiries as to the nature of the role nor the extent of the workload involved” when he decided to stand as disciplinary chairman.

Details from these newly published files also shine a new light on the party’s buckling internal machinery.

Between July 1, 2025, and June 10, 2026, the party received 116 disciplinary cases, representing a “significant and sustained increase” in complaints.

Of those, just 18 have concluded, while seven have been paused and 74 are still active, according to the report.

‘Disciplinary process riddled with corruption’

Just six disciplinary hearings took place between July and November last year. Then, for the next six months, from December 2025 to May this year, no full hearings took place.

In May, the chairman of the committee resigned. Currently, the committee has only managed to fill 15 out of 22 seats, stalling progress.

Reacting to the report and news that the party had made almost no progress resolving complaints, one Jewish Green Party member, who wishes to remain anonymous because of fears of a backlash, told The Telegraph: “To hear there has been little to no progress with complaints is deeply concerning.

“I am aware of Jewish members who are submitting complaints about members, and there is real concern that if these complaints are delayed then these people will continue to be a threat to Jewish members.”

Dr Shahar Ali, a former deputy leader of the Green Party, added: “I can certainly attest to the fact that the Green Party disciplinary process is thoroughly broken and has been riddled with corruption.

“In particular, it has been used by fanatical ideologues to suppress debate on sex-based rights by members.

“I think it’s unlikely that the current system can be retained and needs a massive overhaul. It is simply too vulnerable to weaponisation by activists intent on using it to punish or penalise members they disagree with.”

Both reports acknowledge that there has been a significant upturn in complaints because of an influx of new members as well as greater complexity in the reported cases.

Both conclude: “Demand has increased across standing orders for party discipline, constitutional matters, and safeguarding concerns, creating backlogs and extended case timelines.

“Resource constraints have limited proactive case management, slowed progression and delayed closures.

“Existing systems rely heavily on manual processes, resulting in inconsistent data capture, limited visibility of case status and restricted reporting capability.”

The committee has also failed in its duty to report the number of censures, suspensions and expulsions, “due to complications arising from reconciling conflicts in [the disciplinary committee] and complaints staff’s records and the lateness of the submission of this report”.

To tackle the crisis, the Green Party will recruit a full-time staff member, expected to start in September, to better manage complaints. The party has been contacted for comment.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/06/2026 01:20

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 18:30

Much eco.

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 23:52

As for other potential leaders, Adrian Ramsay is still in the party.

Lalgarh · 20/06/2026 22:50

And then there was Natalie Bennett with her coughing fit

1984Now · 20/06/2026 21:20

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 18:40

My theory is Carla never recovered from her interview with LBC. Diagnosis is terminal cringe with excruciating cognitive dissonance.😊

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ChPAf8GoPgA

The interviewer was so good with her.
Not the Nick Ferrari both feet in style.
No, he tried his best to tease an answer out of her, almost put his arm around her while gently asking her one more time "what does it mean living like a woman?"
And her mix of rabbit in the headlights, cognitive dissonance palpable with every word, and the in the final analysis, she just froze, jibbering word salad.
If it wasn't so preposterous and effectively existentially negative to women, you almost feel pangs of sympathy for her.
But then you realise, she made her bed, she has to lie in it.

fromorbit · 20/06/2026 20:48

SionnachRuadh · 20/06/2026 20:11

The danger of burnout is obviously what's driving their strategy of not allowing Mothin Ali to speak to mainstream media.

You don't want to waste Mothin on TV not with his great contacts with 5 pillars :)

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SionnachRuadh · 20/06/2026 20:11

The danger of burnout is obviously what's driving their strategy of not allowing Mothin Ali to speak to mainstream media.

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 18:40

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/06/2026 10:54

Not that I think Carla Denyer is a political genius, but would the Greens have brighter prospects if she'd stayed on?

Carla Denya is off sick with “burnout” from being a constituency MP so I’m not sure that she could or should be saddled with leadership responsibilities.

My theory is Carla never recovered from her interview with LBC. Diagnosis is terminal cringe with excruciating cognitive dissonance.😊

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ChPAf8GoPgA

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ChPAf8GoPgA

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2026 18:30

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 10:36

yes, I boggled at that. How gangster.

Je vous présente Baggy Khan, with his Lamborgini.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/bolton-green-councillor-lamborghini-videos-33942515

Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3
fromorbit · 20/06/2026 18:16

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 10:40

From what I know of them from close friends in the party, the Greens vote their leaders in regularly, and none of them seem to stay all that long, so it’s possible he won’t be leader at the time of the next election anyway, particularly if he pisses off the various identitarian factions.

The next Green leadership and deputy leadership contest will be next year in 2027.

I expect it to by rather nasty in as much Ali Mothin if he stands again will see a big wave against him as he has upset TAs, Jewish Greens, Zack fanatics, and anyone sensible really. He just has the Gaza fanatics onside and I don't think they are the majority of the party.

Zack is responsible for a huge wave of new members so if he sees off this "anti racism/zionism" revolt this year which I think he will I think he would be re-elected rather easily.

Interesting to see if Milward is re-elected she isn't amazing but she is better than Mothin. I suspect the Gaza lot will target her though.

The wider impact of a big internal drama over Zionism inside the Greens will be interesting to see. It could seriously dent their appeal with some voters and could help Burnham Labour.

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SionnachRuadh · 20/06/2026 12:10

I mean maybe I've been around too long but it always feels to me like the Green breakthrough is a bit like the Armie Hammer comeback, everyone talks about but it never seems to happen

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