Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

I don't hate your son. At all. And actually, my frustration isn't with your son. It is with you.

On an anonymous forum, you refer to your son as your daughter. You lie. It is you who is muddying the waters.

You come on here to tell women off for caring about their rights because of your special child.

No.

I don't care if all your son does is 'cooking food and vacuuming' (interesting choice of activities). He is not a woman.

He can wear whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned.

No it's not a 'complex social issue '. Humans can't change sex. You pretending they can may help your son feel better, but it's fucking over women and society in the process.

I've just realised the op has posted in naivety but has heard every single one of these discussion points before.

Wow.

Look, there's a wide, wide gap between "fawning over my special child" and "all hail the male". You think hating someone you haven't met, and never will, is a good way to spend your life?

You know that autistic girls are hugely overrepresented in transmen too, of course. Is that "all hail the female"?

Do you think it might be a complex social issue and not just a case of some blokes enjoying pretending to be women for jollies and sexual kicks? Do you not think that might be hard to keep up 24/7 for 10+ years, 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. It's not wanking in suspenders 24/7. DC doesn't own any heels, short skirts, makeup or stockings fwiw.

I am glad I'm not you.

Wow.

Look, there's a wide, wide gap between "fawning over my special child" and "all hail the male". You think hating someone you haven't met, and never will, is a good way to spend your life?

You know that autistic girls are hugely overrepresented in transmen too, of course. Is that "all hail the female"?

Do you think it might be a complex social issue and not just a case of some blokes enjoying pretending to be women for jollies and sexual kicks? Do you not think that might be hard to keep up 24/7 for 10+ years, 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. It's not wanking in suspenders 24/7. DC doesn't own any heels, short skirts, makeup or stockings fwiw.

I am glad I'm not you.

Wow.

Look, there's a wide, wide gap between "fawning over my special child" and "all hail the male". You think hating someone you haven't met, and never will, is a good way to spend your life?

You know that autistic girls are hugely overrepresented in transmen too, of course. Is that "all hail the female"?

Do you think it might be a complex social issue and not just a case of some blokes enjoying pretending to be women for jollies and sexual kicks? Do you not think that might be hard to keep up 24/7 for 10+ years, 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. It's not wanking in suspenders 24/7. DC doesn't own any heels, short skirts, makeup or stockings fwiw.

I am glad I'm not you.

I didn't ask a question, so I have lost you I'm afraid.

@Diverze The questions I asked you were rhetorical, I didn’t expect or require you’d answer. I’m very sorry for your son’s mental health issues.

If your son intends to stay out of women’s spaces and will never force his identity on others then fine. It sounds like he perhaps accepts that he is still a man and won’t ever be a woman even if he chooses to take cross sex hormones and if content for it to be a shared delusion between him and those who indulge him. I hope he continues to be this way but who knows, we see many supposed realist trans identified males who try to ally themselves to gender critical women who still push women’s boundaries when it suits them. Many people would also feel it isn’t ok for your son or any man to be using the women’s facilities at all even if actual women are not present.

It’s also worth keeping in mind that cross sex hormones are not neutral and can be quite harmful to those who use them. Perhaps if he can accept himself as a non conforming male then so much the better.

Except maybe a little more sexist than those other men.

Because a prerequisite for believing oneself "transgender" is the belief that the fundamental difference between men and women is mental, and that female people's understanding of themselves and their experiences through the reality of their sexed bodies and how people react to them has less authority than a man's projections about womanhood and how we think, feel and live that he has observed from within his actually entirely male experiences.

The other guys might be sexist and think women's voices, truths and needs matter less than men's, but trans women definitely are and definitely do.

You're better off avoiding all men. Whether they pretend they're women or not.

Lol at the poster dismissing women caring about safety, fairness and sexism as getting "riled up" 😂

Let the boys have their fun, right? They aren't really harming anyone. Not anyone who matters, anyway. Right?

Your son hasn't transitioned to anything. He is still a man. He likes to pretend to be a woman. It makes him 'lighter and more engaged with life'. Whoop-de-doo. All hail the male.

You know what else is 'intrusive'? Men who think they can adopt the word 'woman' because it makes them feel good.

Your son may not be using women's spaces when women are there, but he and his trans peers (who I note have their own swimming time) still sex segregate, just the opposite way around. Hmmm.

I'm sorry for not fawning for your special child but I'm done with this utter bull crap.

Yes, it is a minority issue. All the stats shown above only demonstrate that it is indeed a minority issue. There are 82,000 male inmates. Of even a few hundred of them are trans rapists...it is indeed a drop in the ocean. You are probably more likely to die coming out of a bath than be raped by a trans woman. But yes let's all fear them and not the other highly unlikely events.

Here is data from the MoJ
Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.
There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female.
What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.

As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.

And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.
I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.
The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

This is why NO SUB GROUP OF MALE PEOPLE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM RISK ASSESSMENT. This group of male people still retain the same male pattern of committing sex and violent crime, at ANY STAGE OF TRANSITION.

Not really. As an autistic person, my daughter's lasting friendships are with other autistics. She wouldn't be drawn to a non- autistic trans person and wouldn't have much in common with, for example, a highly feminine transitioner like Jazz Jennings who isn't autistic.

It's well known that autistic people are highly over represented in trans and gender non conforming groups.

You can't police my language pal.
You can use "he", I will use "she", thanks very much.

Yes this stood out to me too. Very strange that.

@legy "Does your trans identifying son use any women’s spaces? Do they use women’s bathrooms or changing rooms? Do they and their friend feel entitled to control other people’s perceptions of them?"

I already answered all this.

DC uses the changing rooms assigned for women during the swimming session where everyone swimming is trans. The pool and changing is private and no other people except the trans swimmers are using them during that period. DC began using the disabled changing during these sessions but switched to women's when assured that no one else would be in the space except the trans group, so no one would be distressed.
When out DC doesn't use the bathroom. If they must go they use a third space if possible, or the gents if no third space is available.

I don't know about their friends but DC doesn't bother correcting people who use "him" when out and about. She tends to wear trousers and docs. She has never actually asked us to use she/her pronouns but did ask us to adopt her new name.

I don't know why people feel the need to ask questions at this level of detail about our experience. It feels quite intrusive and "no true Scotsman" like. It does happen every time.

If you choose to explore my posting history you will see DC first had gender identity issues as a teen. We never explicitly acknowledged these as a family, stayed away from any medical professionals, and for a number of years I thought those issues had resolved and retreated and was very proud of myself, even though during this period DC's mental health and functionality was dreadful. Eventually at age 23 DC began to spiral back down to a very dark place indeed and it transpired that this was due to their ongoing gender identity issues. By this point they had felt this way for 8 years with no validation or cheerleading. If course they were by then adult and we weren't able to do anything about it if they decided to change their name and clothing etc.

What I hadn't anticipated was how much happier she would be since transitioning (and she hasn't started hormones or anything, we are in a waiting list). I am not talking euphoria. I am talking just lighter, less introspective, more engaged in life. And that's whilst knowing that many people think her being trans is a delusion/disgusting/ perverted/ threatening.