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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I reckon this BashBack business is going to backfire

82 replies

Forresty · 07/04/2026 19:11

Thinking about the overreach, the threatening behaviour, the way that Glinner getting arrested made a lot of people go "What the hell?!" and think again...

We on here, and our ilk, know what these men are like. But out there, not so many do. So if they do start showing up in force to things, damaging property and screaming at women, the rest of the world will start see what they're like.

It's all a bit more of the Project Sunlight and #letthemspeak really, isn't it?

Not to mention the damage that the FoxKillah is doing to his reputation (if that were actually possible), by publicly supporting them...

I heretofore dub them Bash Backfire.

Trans activist group issues guide to ‘rarely legal’ direct action

Trans activist group issues guide to ‘rarely legal’ direct action

Bash Back, which was set up after the Supreme Court ruling on biological sex, told supporters to steal equipment in order to ‘smash transphobia’

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trans-activist-rarely-legal-attacks-j2hps6zp6

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nicepotoftea · 22/07/2026 11:33

MarieDeGournay · 22/07/2026 11:19

This is their definition of the much-used and controversial word 'queer':
We view queer as the blurring of sexual and gender identities. Queer is the refusal of fixed identities. It is a war on all identity.

So basically, 'queer' means pretty much anything, therefore pretty much nothing.

It's a useful label made out of the same stuff whiteboards are made out of, so you can write anything you like on it with a non-permanent marker, and then change it if you want it to mean something else..

More often than not, our use of the term queer is interchangeable with our use of trans, though that is not necessarily true of the way in which trans-whatever is used.

I find myself 'comparing and contrasting' other campaigns against oppression which turned to violence - the ones I'm familiar with used violence as, if not a last resort, certainly not a first resort, after decades, even centuries of other forms of protest.

The term 'boycott' originated in a peaceful form of protest against extreme oppression and exploitation in 19th century Ireland - levels of oppression and exploitation that I guarantee nobody in BashBack has ever come anywhere near experiencing, and yet they turn enthusiastically to

.. bar fights, outrunning lynch mobs, glamdalization, attacking the homes of heterosexist murderers, outright chaos, alleged lootings, theory discussions, self-defense tips, social gatherings, beat downs, the acquisition of large quantities of pepper spray, and attempts at sexual liberation.

The readiness to turn so quickly to violence and the threats of violence - the punching, the decapitating, the raping with objects, the details of painful deaths - seems to be a disturbing feature of the TRA movement.

It is a war on all identity.

I wouldn't go as far as declaring war, but it seems that we can agree that identity is a personal matter that has nothing to do with the state and concentrate on protections for characteristics that have real material consequences like sex.

All this time, I didn't realise they agree with me!!!

WittyLimeBiscuit · 22/07/2026 11:36

Why Bash Back is not being treated as a terrorist group is beyond me.
Inciting violence is a crime, why are the police not investigating?

Veilsofmorning · 22/07/2026 11:48

WittyLimeBiscuit · 22/07/2026 11:36

Why Bash Back is not being treated as a terrorist group is beyond me.
Inciting violence is a crime, why are the police not investigating?

I suspect BashBack might revel in the publicity and loud would be the cries of victimisation.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 12:10

WittyLimeBiscuit · 22/07/2026 11:36

Why Bash Back is not being treated as a terrorist group is beyond me.
Inciting violence is a crime, why are the police not investigating?

They are aware of Bashback.

My assumption is that it's more useful to keep them visible and monitor them than push it underground.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 12:13

I would expect BashBack to come under 'LASIT' category, which Prevent/etc has provision for.

www.poolre.co.uk/understanding-left-wing-anarchist-and-single-issue-terrorism-lasit/

RoyalCorgi · 22/07/2026 12:35

WittyLimeBiscuit · 22/07/2026 11:36

Why Bash Back is not being treated as a terrorist group is beyond me.
Inciting violence is a crime, why are the police not investigating?

As someone pointed out on the Heather Herbert thread, Ann Widdecombe was murdered by a series of hammer blows.

It's a very unfortunate coincidence, if indeed it is a coincidence, that Bash Back chooses to publicise itself through an image of a balaclava'd man wielding a hammer.

BeMoreBear · 22/07/2026 12:57

nicepotoftea · 22/07/2026 11:33

It is a war on all identity.

I wouldn't go as far as declaring war, but it seems that we can agree that identity is a personal matter that has nothing to do with the state and concentrate on protections for characteristics that have real material consequences like sex.

All this time, I didn't realise they agree with me!!!

One problem I see with this is that I think a lot of TRAs would say that 'woman' and 'female' are examples of identities. So if there are no identities, then women can't have 'woman'.

But, I suppose then men can't have 'woman' either?

They just tie everything in knots, don't they?

Cailin66 · 22/07/2026 14:34

Sarahsduck · 22/07/2026 11:03

@GreyskySexRealistsky

can you/someone techy on here archive it - it may go pooof.

I think the UK bash back website should be archived too. Especially the bits that are here

actionguide.pdf

https://www.transbashback.com/actionguide.pdf

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2026 18:52

Absolutely- hope people are onto it.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 22:21

Today's posts are a series of pictures of politicians, descriptions of their 'transgressions' and an exhortation to 'bash back'.

Given events of the past two weeks, this is dangerous and well into illegality.

archive.ph/2etTY

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2026 22:24

It’s entirely deliberate. It’s terrorism.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 22:26

Absolutely.

AimsAndObjectives · 22/07/2026 22:31

JFC

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2026 22:35

I wonder if they’re trying to provoke some action against them.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 22:45

Quite possibly.

moto748e · 22/07/2026 23:36

Oh that would be a dilemma for Nadia!

JellySaurus · 23/07/2026 01:12

nicepotoftea · 22/07/2026 11:33

It is a war on all identity.

I wouldn't go as far as declaring war, but it seems that we can agree that identity is a personal matter that has nothing to do with the state and concentrate on protections for characteristics that have real material consequences like sex.

All this time, I didn't realise they agree with me!!!

On the contrary, identity is s very public matter, a very important matter to government. How can they collect taxes if they don’t know who you are? How can they catch criminals if they don’t know who they are? How can you prove relationships or ownership if you can prove who you are? Identity allows recognition.

The personal matter, the one that is nobody’s business but yours, is self-identity. Transactivists want self-identity to take priority over actual identity.

This ‘war on all identity’ is just another face of Anarchism.

PanicButton99 · 23/07/2026 07:02

MarieDeGournay · 22/07/2026 11:19

This is their definition of the much-used and controversial word 'queer':
We view queer as the blurring of sexual and gender identities. Queer is the refusal of fixed identities. It is a war on all identity.

So basically, 'queer' means pretty much anything, therefore pretty much nothing.

It's a useful label made out of the same stuff whiteboards are made out of, so you can write anything you like on it with a non-permanent marker, and then change it if you want it to mean something else..

More often than not, our use of the term queer is interchangeable with our use of trans, though that is not necessarily true of the way in which trans-whatever is used.

I find myself 'comparing and contrasting' other campaigns against oppression which turned to violence - the ones I'm familiar with used violence as, if not a last resort, certainly not a first resort, after decades, even centuries of other forms of protest.

The term 'boycott' originated in a peaceful form of protest against extreme oppression and exploitation in 19th century Ireland - levels of oppression and exploitation that I guarantee nobody in BashBack has ever come anywhere near experiencing, and yet they turn enthusiastically to

.. bar fights, outrunning lynch mobs, glamdalization, attacking the homes of heterosexist murderers, outright chaos, alleged lootings, theory discussions, self-defense tips, social gatherings, beat downs, the acquisition of large quantities of pepper spray, and attempts at sexual liberation.

The readiness to turn so quickly to violence and the threats of violence - the punching, the decapitating, the raping with objects, the details of painful deaths - seems to be a disturbing feature of the TRA movement.

Glamdalization, what’s that? Going round making things look more glam?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/07/2026 07:56

WrongKindOfFeminist · 22/07/2026 22:21

Today's posts are a series of pictures of politicians, descriptions of their 'transgressions' and an exhortation to 'bash back'.

Given events of the past two weeks, this is dangerous and well into illegality.

archive.ph/2etTY

Fucking hell.
I really don’t think politicians should have to put up with this.
How did we become a society where people think this sort of intimidation is acceptable?

Beowulfa · 23/07/2026 08:54

Describing Wes Streeting as a "child killer"? I'm wondering if they are desperate for attention so they can try the Palestine Action martyrs route? I think they will misjudge the public response if so.

And the constant linking of trans rights with Palestine is increasingly insane.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/07/2026 09:00

Good to see this getting publicity. These are unhinged, dangerous people completely unable to function in a democratic society.

MoltenLasagne · 23/07/2026 09:21

The scary thing about Bash Back, is there doesnt have to be someone explicitly involved in their "organisation" to have been inspired by their imagery and posts.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 23/07/2026 09:23

MoltenLasagne · 23/07/2026 09:21

The scary thing about Bash Back, is there doesnt have to be someone explicitly involved in their "organisation" to have been inspired by their imagery and posts.

Quite.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/07/2026 09:25

MoltenLasagne · 23/07/2026 09:21

The scary thing about Bash Back, is there doesnt have to be someone explicitly involved in their "organisation" to have been inspired by their imagery and posts.

Indeed.
It will be interesting to see whether the hammer murderer will turn out to have liked and shared Bash Back posts. But even if he does I imagine his lawyers would argue that so have thousands of people who didn’t kill anyone therefore there is no connection.