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Bridget Phillipson blocking EHRC guidance - thread 2

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lcakethereforeIam · 25/01/2026 15:48

Thread 1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5462015-brigitte-phillipson-blocking-ehrc-guidance

Hope I've spelled her name correctly this time.

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 06/03/2026 16:54

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WittyLimeBiscuit · 06/03/2026 08:45

Phillipson is an embarrassment. More interested in her career than women's rights

Keeptoiletssafe · 06/03/2026 00:06

Correct.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 05/03/2026 20:12

Keeptoiletssafe · 03/03/2026 20:17

I did a depressing count up of school staff who’ve put hidden cameras in school toilets in the U.K. today. A headteacher, a deputy head, primary school teachers, secondary school teachers, a caretaker. It is in double figures and will have affected hundreds of children and staff. There’s a factor common with the staff who did this. Guess what it is?

Doctors are another profession in which several have had an urge to put hidden cameras in toilets too. Guess which common attribute they share with the teaching staff that did this?

Oooh, sticks hand in the air like Hermione Granger! Were they all male, XY chromosomes?

Presumably also your count only includes those who have been caught. The real number, including those not caught, will be higher.

moto748e · 05/03/2026 18:47

Yes, brilliant to get that on the letters page. Some refreshing straight-talking.

NotAtMyAge · 05/03/2026 17:30

Archive: https://archive.ph/hjDTz

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/03/2026 16:03

She’s awesome 💪

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/03/2026 15:46

It’s ’Inclusive’ toilets that get me.

Where the need for complete privacy, in a public place, overrides health and safety.

Inclusive toilets are least bad for healthy males. Even they can get caught out if they don’t realise they have a condition like a bad heart.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/03/2026 15:20

oldtiredcyclist · 04/03/2026 09:23

From 1984 (I may have changed a word or two).

Newspeak: The Party is implementing a new language, Genderspeak, designed to limit the range of thought, making "heretical" thoughts impossible because the words to express them will no longer exist.
Doublethink: Party members are required to engage in "doublethink," the ability to hold two contradictory beliefs simultaneously—for example, believing that men can be women, whilst secretly knowing that biological sex is immutable.

You're not wrong about limiting the range of thought. Decoupling "woman" from our biology makes it really difficult to see medical misogyny. From my "Saved Posts" https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4439896-If-women-cannot-be-defined-biologically-what-happens-to-sex-based-oppression?reply=113881759

Furthermore, such an objection is an instance of regulation assuming that people with the physiology to become pregnant are irresponsible users of healthcare.

The medical misogyny that authors have noticed that women face is much clearer when I reword that to:

Furthermore, such an objection is an instance of regulation assuming that women are irresponsible users of healthcare.

Oh yeah, the same people who are more likely than men to die if they get a heart attack, because doctors are looking for male symptoms. And face maternity discrimination at work. A lot more obvious when you just say "women".

Page 2 | If women cannot be defined biologically what happens to sex based oppression? | Mumsnet

I mean reproductive issues such as abortion, antenatal care, maternity leave and impact on career etc. Will we not be able to speak out on these for...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4439896-If-women-cannot-be-defined-biologically-what-happens-to-sex-based-oppression?reply=113881759

oldtiredcyclist · 04/03/2026 09:23

From 1984 (I may have changed a word or two).

Newspeak: The Party is implementing a new language, Genderspeak, designed to limit the range of thought, making "heretical" thoughts impossible because the words to express them will no longer exist.
Doublethink: Party members are required to engage in "doublethink," the ability to hold two contradictory beliefs simultaneously—for example, believing that men can be women, whilst secretly knowing that biological sex is immutable.

Keeptoiletssafe · 03/03/2026 20:17

I did a depressing count up of school staff who’ve put hidden cameras in school toilets in the U.K. today. A headteacher, a deputy head, primary school teachers, secondary school teachers, a caretaker. It is in double figures and will have affected hundreds of children and staff. There’s a factor common with the staff who did this. Guess what it is?

Doctors are another profession in which several have had an urge to put hidden cameras in toilets too. Guess which common attribute they share with the teaching staff that did this?

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 03/03/2026 18:15

This guidance will have a significant impact on many people, and when published, should be given time in Parliament for full scrutiny and debate among MPs.

Surely the guidance is simply lawful (one would assume that it is) or not lawful. In either case why would parliament need to debate? - they are not responsible for interpreting the law, what would their input be?

moto748e · 03/03/2026 18:12

I'd have said, I stopped reading your reply at 'cis-gender women'. And I'm obviously a terrible old bigot, but I don't think boys should be allowed to go to school in dresses. Especially primary schools! And no, girls wearing trousers or jeans is not an equivalent thing.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/03/2026 17:43

PassTheHanky · 03/03/2026 17:28

I wrote to my MP Richard Foord asking for the Liberal Party to put pressure on Brigette Phillipson to publish the EHRC guidance. As expected they care a lot about Trans 'rights', not so much about Women's Rights.

Their reply (from caseworker Jack (He/Him*)) was:

"The finalised guidance from the EHRC is yet to be published. However, Liberal Democrats have been clear that the dignity, safety and inclusion of trans people can and must be ensured while upholding the rights of cisgender women*. The Government should do all it can find a positive way forward that protects all existing rights.
This guidance will have a significant impact on many people, and when published, should be given time in Parliament for full scrutiny and debate among MPs. This is what Liberal Democrats have called for, and what we believe people should expect in order to ensure the protection of all women and girls".

*(he/him) and cisgender women! grrrrr😖.

So glad I didn't vote for him .......I have replied to their totally unsatisfactory answer!

What a dreadful reply with zero nuance or understanding.

PassTheHanky · 03/03/2026 17:28

I wrote to my MP Richard Foord asking for the Liberal Party to put pressure on Brigette Phillipson to publish the EHRC guidance. As expected they care a lot about Trans 'rights', not so much about Women's Rights.

Their reply (from caseworker Jack (He/Him*)) was:

"The finalised guidance from the EHRC is yet to be published. However, Liberal Democrats have been clear that the dignity, safety and inclusion of trans people can and must be ensured while upholding the rights of cisgender women*. The Government should do all it can find a positive way forward that protects all existing rights.
This guidance will have a significant impact on many people, and when published, should be given time in Parliament for full scrutiny and debate among MPs. This is what Liberal Democrats have called for, and what we believe people should expect in order to ensure the protection of all women and girls".

*(he/him) and cisgender women! grrrrr😖.

So glad I didn't vote for him .......I have replied to their totally unsatisfactory answer!

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/03/2026 00:54

Thanks for that detailed info @POWNewcastleEastWallsend 👍

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 27/02/2026 13:26

Brainworm · 26/02/2026 22:20

Boys should be able to experiment and wear dresses to school

FFS. If dresses are in the uniform code CHILDREN should be able to wear them and boys wearing them should not be considered ‘experimenting’. They are just clothes as so long as they don’t interfere with education or safety any child should be able to wear a dress.

I agree and schools are not with that programme yet so they need firm messaging to turn this dangerous situation for children around.

Schools guidance, and the Sec of State, should stress that neither mildly nor wildly eccentric clothing choices at that age should be thought of as any type of "cross-dressing" nor anything to do with experimenting with "gender identity", even if there is an obvious link with sex-role stereotyping,

  • Costumes: A little boy dressing dressing as a Disney Princess should be regarded and treated no differently to a boy or a girl dressing up as Spider Man, a Transformer or a character from Hey Duggee’s Squirrel Club. School uniform rules should be clear whether costumes of any sort are either acceptable or they are not.
  • Kid's clothes: in the 1800's and 1900's "unisex" (anachronistic term, I know) children's clothing for both sexes meant dresses and tunics. Mid 20th century it meant trousers with tops that were sold for children, not necessarily designed and targeted by sex. That still holds to an extent today, so a little boy wearing his sister's skirt or dress stands out more than a little girl wearing her brother's school clothes. School uniform rules should be clear what boys and girls are expected to wear, whether the rules are restrictive or permissive.

Before the trans-madness, little girls could be "tom boys" and nobody blinked an eye but today they are in at least as much danger of being stereotyped as "trans", "non-binary" or "experimenting with their gender identity" as little boys who in the past would have been bullied for being "sissies" or "gay".

https://www.histclo.com/style/skirted/skirted.html

Ofsted inspects Initial Teacher Education (ITE) as well as schools and gender identity ideology needs to be eradicated from ITE as well as from schools, although schools must be our first target in order to protect children who are at risk right now. The issue here is that new guidance that contradicts precepts inculcated during ITE might be difficult for teachers to take on board.

Guidance
Initial teacher training and early career framework
A framework to support trainee and early career teacher development.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/initial-teacher-training-and-early-career-framework

that page links to:
Initial Teacher Training and Early Career Framework
January 2024
Table on page 11-12 starts:

Learn that…

  1. Teachers have the ability to affect and improve the wellbeing, motivation and behaviour of their pupils.
  2. Teachers are key role models, who can influence the attitudes, values and behaviours of their pupils.
  3. Teacher expectations can affect pupil outcomes; setting goals that challenge and stretch pupils from their starting points is essential.
  4. Setting clear expectations can help communicate shared values that improve classroom and school culture.
  5. A culture of mutual trust and respect supports effective relationships.
  6. High quality teaching has a long-term positive effect on pupils’ life chances, particularly for pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds.
  7. High quality teaching is underpinned by positive interactions between pupils, their teachers and their peers.
  8. Pupils’ experiences of school and their readiness to learn can be impacted by their home life and circumstances, particularly for EAL pupils, young carers, and those living in poverty.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/661d24ac08c3be25cfbd3e61/Initial_Teacher_Training_and_Early_Career_Framework.pdf

Guidance
Initial teacher education (ITE) inspection: toolkit, operating guide and framework
Guidance for inspectors and providers on inspecting ITE provision in England under the renewed education inspection framework.
Published 9 September 2025
Last updated 13 February 2026

Details
Find guidance for initial teacher education inspections in England:

ITE inspection toolkit – what inspectors and ITE providers use to discuss the quality of provision on inspection

ITE inspection framework – the principles of ITE inspection

ITE inspection operating guide – a step-by-step guide for inspectors on how to inspect ITE provision

information about ITE inspections – for staff and leaders, parents and carers and the wider public

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/initial-teacher-education-ite-inspection-toolkit-operating-guide-and-framework

Initial teacher education inspection toolkit
Updated: 9 September 2025

I have only scanned this so am not clear yet whether it is only the curriculum for Early Years Teaching (Teachers?) that covers child development:

page 8

Considering curriculum, teaching and training in different phases

When inspectors apply this evaluation area in ITE, they consider the context of the relevant phase –
for example:

  • In the early years phase, inspectors consider how well the provider prepares trainees to teach to the requirements outlined in the statutory framework for early years, including the prime and specific areas of learning and development from birth to age 5. This should include how children develop and learn, and their readiness for key stage 1. For this phase, the ITE curriculum should have due regard for the DfE’s EYITT criteria and supporting advice.
  • In the primary phase, inspectors consider how well the provider prepares trainees to teach the national curriculum subjects, as well as the areas for learning and development in the Reception Year. For this phase, the ITE curriculum should be underpinned by the ITTECF and meet the statutory requirements of the ITT criteria and supporting advice, including for ITAP and mentoring.
  • In the secondary phase, inspectors consider how well the provider prepares trainees to teach their specialist subject(s). For this phase, the ITE curriculum should be underpinned by the ITTECF and meet the statutory requirements of the ITT criteria and supporting advice, including for ITAP and mentoring.
  • In the FE and skills phase, inspectors consider how well the provider prepares trainees to teach their specialist subject(s) in a relevant FE and skills setting. For this phase, the ITE curriculum should reflect the requirements of the occupational standard.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68ba9fd0cc8356c3c882ab2b/Initial_teacher_education_inspection_toolkit.pdf

Brainworm · 26/02/2026 22:20

Boys should be able to experiment and wear dresses to school

FFS. If dresses are in the uniform code CHILDREN should be able to wear them and boys wearing them should not be considered ‘experimenting’. They are just clothes as so long as they don’t interfere with education or safety any child should be able to wear a dress.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 26/02/2026 19:47

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the poster's request.

Imnobody4 · 26/02/2026 18:59

In the House of Lords. Kishwer Falkner asks the right question, time to come clean.

@KishwerFalkner has had enough. 'Will the government at least come clean and admit it has no interest in defending women's rights?' @ForWomenScot

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IdaGlossop · 26/02/2026 17:49

oldtiredcyclist · 26/02/2026 15:12

To be fair, it is mostly parties/politicians on the left - Labour, LibDems, Greens, SNP etc., who are supporting gender ideology. The Labour party has been in power for well over a year and has thus far, refused to implement the rulings of the Supreme Court. In Scotland, the SNP are responsible for trying to block the Supreme Court rulings.

As I have made clear to my Labour MP, they have lost my vote over their stance on trans ideology and the ompletely unreasonable delay in publishing the ECHR guidance.

IdaGlossop · 26/02/2026 17:46

Pingponghavoc · 26/02/2026 16:05

But its also a leap to have policies based on children dressing up. Or even include primary school children dressing up as a part of transgender policies.

Parts of the left aren't treating this as just dressing up. Its not seen the same as a child wanting to go to school as spiderman everyday.

Parts of the left are saying - let him wear a dress, and he might not grow up to be trans, but if he does the experience will be import to him.

Its not forcing children to transition, but it is introducing trans ideology into schools and exposing a lot of children to it.

A very valid point. The parts of the left you are referring to are grooming children and young people as a result of their blind devotion go trans ideology..

Pingponghavoc · 26/02/2026 16:05

IdaGlossop · 26/02/2026 14:28

The right, predictably, have jumped on this as evidence of the 'loonie left'. It's a big leap at primary age from 'boy fancies wearing a dress at school' to 'this is the state conspiring to force children to transition'.

But its also a leap to have policies based on children dressing up. Or even include primary school children dressing up as a part of transgender policies.

Parts of the left aren't treating this as just dressing up. Its not seen the same as a child wanting to go to school as spiderman everyday.

Parts of the left are saying - let him wear a dress, and he might not grow up to be trans, but if he does the experience will be import to him.

Its not forcing children to transition, but it is introducing trans ideology into schools and exposing a lot of children to it.

oldtiredcyclist · 26/02/2026 15:12

IdaGlossop · 26/02/2026 14:28

The right, predictably, have jumped on this as evidence of the 'loonie left'. It's a big leap at primary age from 'boy fancies wearing a dress at school' to 'this is the state conspiring to force children to transition'.

To be fair, it is mostly parties/politicians on the left - Labour, LibDems, Greens, SNP etc., who are supporting gender ideology. The Labour party has been in power for well over a year and has thus far, refused to implement the rulings of the Supreme Court. In Scotland, the SNP are responsible for trying to block the Supreme Court rulings.