Reasons for not moving right like young men

I think the abortion issue is a huge reason why young women in America have not moved rightward.

The trend seems to be that women shift rightward once they get married, because other concerns tend to arise: good schools,
safe neighborhoods, future jobs for their growing family, stable employment for their themselves and their partner. Unmarried women tend to vote as left as ever, probably
because their concerns don’t change as drastically.

I think a lot of the move to the right is precisely because people think women’s rights are the root of all evil and if we only go back to being modest helpmeets all will be right in the world again. It’s pretty transparent.
Read an interesting NYT article about why right wing men reserve their greatest fury for women.
Left wing men aren’t much better though. Union and Billy Bragg types.
So many men just want us to be in the background serving them and shut up.

The Right aren't & have never been interested in women's rights.

Forgot to add the link to thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5479340-a-fissure-between-men-and-women-is-reshaping-british-politics

I haven't been following what has been said because as seems standard know on FWR Farage bots turn out to propogandise on behalf of their leader, and discussion disappears.

But has had a lot of posts, although again in FWR it probably means it has been derailed.

But as I say it isn't a new topic, there have been articles about it for years. Some of the stories from Japan are scarey.

I dont think men saying they think women should stay home and not go out to work, is particulary right wing. I think that some men who say they are left, know that they cant say that out loud.

I dont think we should be trapped into discussing it as a left right issue.

The issue is why are so many men blaming women for being left behind, failing to adapt to a new / different society and not for instances organising themselves to find a way to change.

Instead of just sulking and blaming women.

There's already a thread about this change, although in all honesty it has been going on for years.

Right back to when people first realised that incels were a real thing.

And in some way it isn't really about left and right in the old sense, but that somehow with technology men have retreated even further from being engaged with "society". But women still shouldering most of the caring responsibilities and rise in the cost of living dont see anything for them in the sort of absurd extreme capitalist notion of each for themselves.

I think some actual politicians are then imposing on this social shift their notions of a political analysis.

@inkognitha I saw your thread but I couldn't take the article seriously I'm afraid

@Warmlight1 unpleasantpersonalities are available across the political spectrum so I can't really see that there's a link?

How about the boorishness of left wing Russel Lloyd Moyle to Rosie Duffield?
Bad behavior is apolitical.

I had actually opened a thread about it

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/5477728-has-anyone-read-this-why-young-women-moved-left-while-young-men-stayed-sane?reply=150002576
with a link to the x article.

Actually the “be kind” is from me, not sure the term is mentioned.

The rest of the article pivots from women are more pressured than ever to be agreeable bc of social media and smartphones and how it affects their political leanings (which was very interesting) to women are being lied to by social media and the modern, independent woman myth. From there as you can guess, it falls into sexist bs fast and deep.

But i wouldn’t say that young men are getting more and more right wing anymore. Especially in the UK, that wouldn’t be fair.

Data show that over the last 15/20y, young women have veered a lot to the left while men stayed within the same range (1st pic shows global data).
More recently, men have veered more towards the right but not as much as women have gone to the left.
And in the UK (2nd pic, per country, UK last graph), looks like both sexes have gone quite progressive, then stabilised for men while women kept going left.

So to be fair, the story should be about young women becoming more and more progressive than about the men.

I have seen this on X where the author was arguing that it was partly due to social media, which pressures women to act even more agreeable than they already tended to be. Then it veered off into some unsavoury conclusions but the data stay, they’re surprising and I can see social media playing a role in the “be kind” culture.

@Warmlight1 i've been vaguely hearing about this too

Is it applicable in this country or is it just America?

I genuinely don't know, but in this country, I can't think of an explanation why. I find it rather worrying even if it is just America.

But then a lot of what has been going on in America worries me. It's a bit more obvious there because they may feel that abortion rights are under threat from the right. But that wouldn't explain anything here in the UK.

Eh?