Genocide in the US

Maybe it's themselves they wish didn't exist, we're just a constant reminder of why they hate themselves.

I read number 4 in the list and it’s very obvious which side is being dehumanised and compared to vermin and so on. I think one side here is indeed harbouring genocidal hatred and it isn’t women who object to men in their spaces.

I think we have to accept that these people do really believe this, but the reality probably is that it’s projection. They wish we didn’t exist and would quite like to try to make it happen and so they project their own feelings and anger onto us.

By their logic they are committing genocide against gender critical women!

It isn’t possible to transition to the opposite sex. And lying to mentally distressed people that it is, is unkind.

This was the situation in the country I live in but was deemed against human rights to demand someone undergo dangerous surgery with lifelong complications to castrate themselves in order to change their legal sex registration.
I agree with this position, genital surgery is brutal and should never be a criteria to be able to use the womens facilities. But as letting fully intact men into the womens is also not a solution.
the only way forward is to keep to strict sex segregation, with the exception of children, and demand all men abide by the law. Even transwomen, surely most transwomen are normal people who don't break laws just beause they want something not theirs?

Women don't need an excuse for not wanting men in their spaces, it's doesn't matter how well a man supposedly "passes", they can use the mens. Project the Dolls is discrimination against the Bricks, which is not very inclusive.

It doesn't seem wildly different or extreme to me. Some people do feel like they are a child in an adult body. It doesn't mean that they are actually younger than their age or that they can attend school.

What is the difference? Both are categorically not true. Why is someone allowed to claim they are the opposite sex but not claim they are a different age, or race. Why is it only in this area people are allowed to self identify?

No. No men in female spaces. However much they “pass”. Why are you so determined to inveigle men into female spaces? Can you give one benefit to women of making all single sex spaces mixed sex?

Remind me again, which people are assaulting women, threatening women with rape violence and death and doxxing and demanding women lose their jobs?

I think there's a workable middle-ground solution. Anyone who doesn't pass should have to produce a gender cert if challenged, and the certs shouldn't be issued until they have undergone a medical, social, and psychological transition - including a full course of hormone treatment, if not surgery.

In practice, it's self-regulating because post-transition trans women look just like women (like the ones I posted above), are no danger to anyone, and no one bats an eyelid. And anyone who is clearly a regular man should be - and is - kept out.

Apparently, Mumsnet's automoderater doesn't like me linking to a Blogspot about the alleged arsonist Marcus "Ella" Potter.

1. Make-up, cosmetic surgery, cross-sex hormones, breast implants, and photo filters do not a woman make.
2. Voice, gait, and hip-waist-shoulder ratio will tell women that they are looking at a man in real-life.
3. Letting those men in also means letting this man in. It's utterly unworkable to admit men on the basis of how well they "pass" as women. Who judges that? And would the person doing the judging understand that female sexual assault survivors will have a very finely-honed man detector that will detect almost all, if not all, trand-identifying men?

There's isn't a workable middle ground on this. Either you make everything mixed-sex, or you say no exceptions apart from very young children (and even then people argue about how old is "too old" for a boy to use the ladies).

Was that on Blue Peter? My mother thinks she may have seen him on there.

Because they are biological males = men.

Extremists do take unreasonable positions. Luckily there's usually a large middle ground of reasonable people. I doubt that most trans women think they can grow a cervix.

All genocides are human rights violations, but not all human rights violations are genocide. With that cleared up, perhaps my first post makes more sense?

It's not pedantic to say that "human rights" and "genocide" are not the same thing.

Not completely change sex, no. But I do think that the TW I posted above - that is, those who have medically and socially transitioned - are a type of woman. You only have to look at them to see that they're not the same as regular men!

I actually do need a check-up 🤣

I would find it very weird if the people linked below were told to use the men's. (They are public figures who are trans women.)

No human can change sex. It's you that needs the checkup.

Any argument can be made to look ridiculous by making it into an extreme version of itself. Surely you can see the difference between someone thinking they are a three-year-old and someone who wants to transition to the opposite sex? I'd get a check-up if not! 🤣

You are correct in your pedantry, but also irrelevant. The treatment of trans-identifying people in the US isn't even at the level of "human rights violation other than genocide". It's at "you get the same rights as everyone else, based on your sex like everyone else" level, aka fairness.

Toilets and similar are segregated by sex. "Trans women" are male and so should use the male toilets. Asking me to use the male toilets would be incorrect because I am female.

The Lemkin Institute is, if we are to be kind, incompetent, & if we are to be honest, a (verysmall) bunch of lying shysters.