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allison bailey judgement

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thelonelyones · 17/12/2025 09:35

expected tomorrow

(can't share how I know, and sorry don't know if there's already a thread)

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Datun · 18/12/2025 05:41

Igmum · 17/12/2025 17:42

I did wonder at the time whether the ET didn’t find against Stonewall because having seen the emotional support mum, lawyer, dog etc etc the Stonewall rep needed they figured she couldn’t influence her way out of a paper bag. Shorn of the personalities and sticking to the facts might help us here.

It was all very shocking. All very Wizard of Oz, wasn't it?

Stonewall appearing like this menacing, intimidating, dense monolith of a organisation. Able to wield power in the highest circles, coming and going, unseen and shadowy, like Machiavellian ninjas.

Nah. .

Incoherent lip biting twits, holding mums hand, with animals for support and lawyers hovering over their every utterance, lest they drop everyone in it.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 17/12/2025 18:54

dynamiccactus · 17/12/2025 17:43

I wonder if someone could have influenced an employer in the same way about say Gaza. It will be a very interesting decision.

That would open a whole new can of worms. 🤔

GallantKumquat · 17/12/2025 18:34

Igmum · 17/12/2025 17:42

I did wonder at the time whether the ET didn’t find against Stonewall because having seen the emotional support mum, lawyer, dog etc etc the Stonewall rep needed they figured she couldn’t influence her way out of a paper bag. Shorn of the personalities and sticking to the facts might help us here.

If so it's dangerously blinkered judicial thinking as this is example A of Stonewall's emotionally manipulative modus operandi.

DonicaLewinsky · 17/12/2025 18:30

Igmum · 17/12/2025 17:42

I did wonder at the time whether the ET didn’t find against Stonewall because having seen the emotional support mum, lawyer, dog etc etc the Stonewall rep needed they figured she couldn’t influence her way out of a paper bag. Shorn of the personalities and sticking to the facts might help us here.

Interesting point!

Igmum · 17/12/2025 17:58

WFTCHTJ · 17/12/2025 17:50

Nearly spat my drink at that.

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🥃 here you go WFTCHTJ. Can’t be doing without a wee dram or two.

WFTCHTJ · 17/12/2025 17:50

Igmum · 17/12/2025 17:42

I did wonder at the time whether the ET didn’t find against Stonewall because having seen the emotional support mum, lawyer, dog etc etc the Stonewall rep needed they figured she couldn’t influence her way out of a paper bag. Shorn of the personalities and sticking to the facts might help us here.

Nearly spat my drink at that.

dynamiccactus · 17/12/2025 17:43

I wonder if someone could have influenced an employer in the same way about say Gaza. It will be a very interesting decision.

Igmum · 17/12/2025 17:42

I did wonder at the time whether the ET didn’t find against Stonewall because having seen the emotional support mum, lawyer, dog etc etc the Stonewall rep needed they figured she couldn’t influence her way out of a paper bag. Shorn of the personalities and sticking to the facts might help us here.

fanOfBen · 17/12/2025 17:35

I get the impression that this is really a very general case about what "causing or inducing" means. They will want to be very careful about the implications of decisions about that, even if the fact that this ended up in front of the court is really just because sex realist views have been so socially unacceptable. I wouldn't be sanguine. It's super interesting though.

JamieCannister · 17/12/2025 17:21

alteredimage · 17/12/2025 16:52

Ages ago, just after the first judgement I was talking to a lawyer working in this area who was pretty downbeat about Allison’s chance of winning her appeal. That said it would be a hell of a win if she did. Presumably (IANAL) forcing Stonewall to take some responsibility for their dodgy advice.

I would love to know the justification.

Stonewall were clearly applying pressure on Garden Court in order, they hoped, to get GC to illegally discriminate. It is completely open and shut in AB's favour from my viewpoint (but IANAL, and have not followed this appeal as closely as I did the first case).

alteredimage · 17/12/2025 16:52

Ages ago, just after the first judgement I was talking to a lawyer working in this area who was pretty downbeat about Allison’s chance of winning her appeal. That said it would be a hell of a win if she did. Presumably (IANAL) forcing Stonewall to take some responsibility for their dodgy advice.

Datun · 17/12/2025 15:44

FirstRobinoftheYear · 17/12/2025 15:12

My quote of the day on x about Allison's case.

Very good

FirstRobinoftheYear · 17/12/2025 15:12

My quote of the day on x about Allison's case.

allison bailey judgement
ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 17/12/2025 12:50

The basic rule of precedence is that a judgment of a higher court binds all lower courts as to matters of law unless the case is distinguishable on its facts.
So
ET binds no tribunal
EAT binds ET
CofA binds all courts below it so ET, EAT, High Court etc

EweProfessorSurnameDoctorProfessor · 17/12/2025 12:41

Also with a 4 year old understanding - if she’s successful and it’s an appeal court finding, would this be binding in a way that the EAT wouldn’t have been? Likewise if she’s unsuccessful and chooses not to take it further and appeal again?

Datun · 17/12/2025 12:37

... but as I said, four-year-old

Datun · 17/12/2025 12:36

UserNom · 17/12/2025 11:46

Many thanks @Datun . So is Allison appealing the Stonewall bit of the judgement?

That's my understanding.

Keeptoiletssafe · 17/12/2025 12:10

They certainly influenced the Document T public consultation by coordinating a huge response and also, I believe I have evidence for, ensuring companies would embed trans ideology into a consultation report, presumably to win their awards. By doing so it affected the health and safety of another protected characteristics that was supposed to be their remit.

edit: it’s very obvious from the report. Not so bothered about the public consultation, that’s fair enough.

Helleofabore · 17/12/2025 12:00

Good luck to Allison.

Stonewall need to be held accountable for their influence in so many organisations. I wonder if the judgement is a win for Allison, how many other claims will be lodged.

Helleofabore · 17/12/2025 11:57

ProfessorIDareSay · 17/12/2025 10:18

Listed here:

https://www.court-tribunal-hearings.service.gov.uk/court-of-appeal-civil-daily-cause-list

Thanks for that.

I expect that we will be glued to Twitter to see what the outcome is.

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thelonelyones · 17/12/2025 11:56

I have no involvement in this case, and do not know the outcome, I just know the release date from my GC network, so do not infer anything from my posts!

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UserNom · 17/12/2025 11:50

GoldThumb · 17/12/2025 11:49

Will this be on YouTube then?

It says it's being handed down remotely by email.

GoldThumb · 17/12/2025 11:49

Will this be on YouTube then?

UserNom · 17/12/2025 11:46

Many thanks @Datun . So is Allison appealing the Stonewall bit of the judgement?