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whatwouldafeministdo · 12/11/2025 10:45

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 09:57

I always say this about the media (yes you can check this if so inclined, its not just restricted to this subject) - don't just look at what they DO say, also look at the massive gaps and silences about what they DON'T say.

These gaps either reveal something not being released by authorities or gatekeeping by the media outlet. You have to ask the questions, 'why?' and 'who?' as this often tells you more about the story.

Some times these decisions have very important and valid reasons about why they have been ommitted. Some times less so.

On this subject, one of the constant comments is that the public aren't interested and its a niche subject. This doesn't hold up when you are then putting out a huge number of frankly brain dead puff piece drag queen stories. There is definitely a huge demand for these stories - we know this because the Daily Mail started to realise this and started to cover them. Not to mention we know several of these pro-trans programmes have been absoluete ratings turkeys.

Then the other argument is that these stories are negative about transpeople. Again this is actually bias and doesn't hold up. Many of these stories are simply about women wanting privacy and dignity and a space to talk about bodily things with others who know without being mansplained to or feeling embarassed - its actually weirdly TRAs who then go nuts and start wanging on about how they are treated like rapists when they just want to pee. We see it on MN, how the focus gets changes from being centred on these basic and fair women's needs to a sudden guilt trip and accusations of 'phobia' when no one in that particular conversation has even mentioned anything to do with sexually inappropriate behaviour.

Then theres the stories about trans people which are negative which are shoved under the carpet completely because they don't fit with the narrative of the most oppressed and vulnerable because theres more vulnerable victims. And to cap it off the pronouns - omg the pronouns - which NOTE the INDEPENDENT CASS REVIEW stated were not neutral and were a political decision, ESPECIALLY, in cases where there is a legal case and the judge is using male pronouns or has given permission for victims to use male pronouns. This is NOT ok. Other examples include where someone trans has stated they don't care about pronouns and the BBC defaults to pro-trans pronouns and names.

Never mind the wording of headlines. Its always 'anti-trans' never 'pro-woman' or 'pro-lesbian' etc etc.

Never mind who they've gone out of their way to platform - and gone out of their way to not platform. You can go through the list of rent-a-gobs and find the majority deeply problematic and if they were a straight male they would not be touched. But women who have fought against a lot of this? Na, they are persona non grata, and have been for years with no efforts even post CASS or post SC to change this, because they might say something 'controversial' eg males are still males even if they transition and the presenter might implode because their BBC training does not compute at this point.

Then theres the whole fiasco which is on record about just how hard it was for Newsnight - which some of the very best journalists in the country - to break the Tavistock scandal. Which lead to some of those journalists leaving the BBC as a direct result. This if nothing else should have been a massive red flag that the BBC was failing in its commitment to hard investigative journalism. This ISN'T outsiders with a political agenda to grind saying the BBC has a problem. This is some of the most professional and respected journalists in the country (if not the world) saying 'Hang on, this really shouldn't have been this hard. This is totally fucked up and the BBC has a bias problem.'

These clowns that have quit who have said there is no problem with bias and have tried to ignore that this is an area of concern even now, are fucking delusional.

There is no fucking way they are going to convince me differently without a massive wholesale change in editiorial decision making. Right now their gatekeeping is fucked and untenable. It is not ok. It doesn't reflect the general public. It doesn't reflect the law. And they hide behind guidelines when they don't even cover that area or are at odds with journalist integrity.

Martine Croxall was the absoluete final straw for me.

Great post.

I'd also add, they ignore women complaining about bias (like calling rapists and murderers who are men 'she') they ignore the impact on victims of crime of pandering to the criminal's inner identity, and it's very largely trans identified male people who get airtime, not those who are biologically female. Funny that.

Spot on - they ignore the law, public opinion and their own charter.

They are pretty much a campaigning organisation on trans issues (and I suspect on other issues like Trump derangement syndrome and the war in the middle east - but I have looked at less evidence personally about those issues ). They're so biased I don't think there's any way back because there's been a wholescale Ministry of Truth brainwashing within rank and file journalists, producers, writers etc. All those who retained some journalistic integrity, like Hannah Barnes, have left.

Edited to add: It's not easy to dismantle the culture of a workplace where speaking the truth is not allowed and saying 'trans women are men' would immediately mean being forced out in some way or another - or in Martine Croxall's case being accused of 'facecrime'. Many people will be so scared and so full of cognitive dissonance they will simply not be able to to go back to truthful reporting on this topic.

Cordeliasdemonbabies · 12/11/2025 10:44

I listened to the News Agent podcast on the bbc story and they were very defensive on this basically being a right wing stitch up EXCEPT for the trans bias which they fully accepted. Emily Maitless said the Newsnight expose that got the Tavistock shut down was extremely hard to get approval for and was treated as radioactive within the bbc newsroom. Barely covered outside of Newsnight despite being a massive coup.

Lewis Goodall wasn't on that episode interestingly as I think he is still more TWAW than EM and Jon Sopel.

The latest episode of SEEN in journalism is very interesting for a more in depth analysis on the trans side.

FarriersGirl · 12/11/2025 10:31

Thanks for posting this - the production companies have quite a bit of discretion in choosing contestants for most programmes so the choice of trans participants will be deliberate. As for the BBC, the chairman yesterday was trying to claim that they mainly stick to their standards on trans issues. If that is even half true, then the standards are so hopelessly infected with bias they need to be shredded immediately.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/11/2025 10:16

AuntMunca · 12/11/2025 09:44

Yes, I remember watching a programme about the making of University Challenge which explained that it wasn't necessarily the 'brainiest' teams which were selected. So, although the BBC/production company don't choose the team members, they do choose which teams compete - and on a subjective basis.

Christ on a bike. Another illusion shattered.

Lalgarh · 12/11/2025 10:03

WorriedMutha · 12/11/2025 09:46

I was about to say Matthew D'Ancona is really on the ball with this and the two Matts are a good listen. Alastair is like the proverbial bloke in a pub. He dismissed the whole GC/JKR stuff ages ago by saying he took advice on women's issues from his wife and daughter and he was on the side of the angels. His daughter is a stand up comic and full on twaw useful idiot. I doubt Alastair takes advice from anyone on anything and can barely stifle his yawns when this crops up. I will report back if it surfaces from outside the fandom at TRIP live.

Yes 2 notes from Twitter on this:

I posted on another thread from this guy who noted quite a lot of media folk have children who self ID or like Campbell are self styled activists they fear losing contact with, which informs this reaction. David Aaronovitch mentioned that many accepted this "on good faith".

Also this: the ppl working in these media are all urban graduates who would see GC as far to the right of anything they have been socialised into. Also the fact they were able to intern because of Contacts and subsist on a pittance unlike others without, and you have groupthink

https://nitter.net/BrianSpanner1/status/1988229055733547280#m

Frankly on that list, the respecting of rapist's preferred pronouns should be first. Let alone the fact they didn't explicitly explain why they were doing such. Whenever they run stories about self harm or suicide they have a link to the Samaritans. When they choose to mention a pronoun person they should link to editorial guidelines or have a preface to why they are doing as such

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 09:57

I always say this about the media (yes you can check this if so inclined, its not just restricted to this subject) - don't just look at what they DO say, also look at the massive gaps and silences about what they DON'T say.

These gaps either reveal something not being released by authorities or gatekeeping by the media outlet. You have to ask the questions, 'why?' and 'who?' as this often tells you more about the story.

Some times these decisions have very important and valid reasons about why they have been ommitted. Some times less so.

On this subject, one of the constant comments is that the public aren't interested and its a niche subject. This doesn't hold up when you are then putting out a huge number of frankly brain dead puff piece drag queen stories. There is definitely a huge demand for these stories - we know this because the Daily Mail started to realise this and started to cover them. Not to mention we know several of these pro-trans programmes have been absoluete ratings turkeys.

Then the other argument is that these stories are negative about transpeople. Again this is actually bias and doesn't hold up. Many of these stories are simply about women wanting privacy and dignity and a space to talk about bodily things with others who know without being mansplained to or feeling embarassed - its actually weirdly TRAs who then go nuts and start wanging on about how they are treated like rapists when they just want to pee. We see it on MN, how the focus gets changes from being centred on these basic and fair women's needs to a sudden guilt trip and accusations of 'phobia' when no one in that particular conversation has even mentioned anything to do with sexually inappropriate behaviour.

Then theres the stories about trans people which are negative which are shoved under the carpet completely because they don't fit with the narrative of the most oppressed and vulnerable because theres more vulnerable victims. And to cap it off the pronouns - omg the pronouns - which NOTE the INDEPENDENT CASS REVIEW stated were not neutral and were a political decision, ESPECIALLY, in cases where there is a legal case and the judge is using male pronouns or has given permission for victims to use male pronouns. This is NOT ok. Other examples include where someone trans has stated they don't care about pronouns and the BBC defaults to pro-trans pronouns and names.

Never mind the wording of headlines. Its always 'anti-trans' never 'pro-woman' or 'pro-lesbian' etc etc.

Never mind who they've gone out of their way to platform - and gone out of their way to not platform. You can go through the list of rent-a-gobs and find the majority deeply problematic and if they were a straight male they would not be touched. But women who have fought against a lot of this? Na, they are persona non grata, and have been for years with no efforts even post CASS or post SC to change this, because they might say something 'controversial' eg males are still males even if they transition and the presenter might implode because their BBC training does not compute at this point.

Then theres the whole fiasco which is on record about just how hard it was for Newsnight - which some of the very best journalists in the country - to break the Tavistock scandal. Which lead to some of those journalists leaving the BBC as a direct result. This if nothing else should have been a massive red flag that the BBC was failing in its commitment to hard investigative journalism. This ISN'T outsiders with a political agenda to grind saying the BBC has a problem. This is some of the most professional and respected journalists in the country (if not the world) saying 'Hang on, this really shouldn't have been this hard. This is totally fucked up and the BBC has a bias problem.'

These clowns that have quit who have said there is no problem with bias and have tried to ignore that this is an area of concern even now, are fucking delusional.

There is no fucking way they are going to convince me differently without a massive wholesale change in editiorial decision making. Right now their gatekeeping is fucked and untenable. It is not ok. It doesn't reflect the general public. It doesn't reflect the law. And they hide behind guidelines when they don't even cover that area or are at odds with journalist integrity.

Martine Croxall was the absoluete final straw for me.

HagsRule · 12/11/2025 09:56

Lalgarh · 12/11/2025 09:52

A BBC presenter launched a project in which she distributed badges, saying 'Safe With Me', in schools, for children to wear in public places. The badges signify to any 'trans people' nearby that the child will escort them to a toilet

What. The Absolute. FUCK?

I know, as well as the nappy one, that story was shocking. It's unclear if this presenter was being sinister or is just really naive.

Lalgarh · 12/11/2025 09:52

A BBC presenter launched a project in which she distributed badges, saying 'Safe With Me', in schools, for children to wear in public places. The badges signify to any 'trans people' nearby that the child will escort them to a toilet

What. The Absolute. FUCK?

HagsRule · 12/11/2025 09:47

Datun · 12/11/2025 08:55

Wow, I knew they were bad that's absolutely shocking.

No wonder it's come to a head.

You can't get away with that kind of hopelessly biased reporting indefinitely.

The sexual nature of the entire issue is very obvious, too.

This man dresses as a baby girl and wears nappies. He goes into local primary schools to 'teach children about autism' and tries to have one-to-one sessions with them. Despite the obvious red flags, the BBC profiled and promoted him

A BBC presenter launched a project in which she distributed badges, saying 'Safe With Me', in schools, for children to wear in public places. The badges signify to any 'trans people' nearby that the child will escort them to a toilet

Ffs. You have live in a cave not to imagine how paedophiles will flock to a loophole that says kids can take you to the toilet, or you can be one-to-one with them while wearing a nappy.

And it's far too consistent, and far too prevalent, for one not to conclude that it's not ignorance, but depravity.

These examples really, really shocked me too. No wonder the Chair of children in need resigned although that was for a different, but sadly related reason of the funding to LGBT Youth Scotland I've already mentioned.

Edited for more context.

WorriedMutha · 12/11/2025 09:46

I was about to say Matthew D'Ancona is really on the ball with this and the two Matts are a good listen. Alastair is like the proverbial bloke in a pub. He dismissed the whole GC/JKR stuff ages ago by saying he took advice on women's issues from his wife and daughter and he was on the side of the angels. His daughter is a stand up comic and full on twaw useful idiot. I doubt Alastair takes advice from anyone on anything and can barely stifle his yawns when this crops up. I will report back if it surfaces from outside the fandom at TRIP live.

AuntMunca · 12/11/2025 09:44

CaminoPlanner · 12/11/2025 09:19

Um, actually they do. DS was on a team that wasn't picked for the show because, they were told, they weren't quirky enough - they didn't shine through on screen.

They scope for personalities and talking points. Sometimes that might just be absolutely amazing knowledge. Sometimes it might be a uni you never heard of or a very old or young team. But there is selection and bias.

Yes, I remember watching a programme about the making of University Challenge which explained that it wasn't necessarily the 'brainiest' teams which were selected. So, although the BBC/production company don't choose the team members, they do choose which teams compete - and on a subjective basis.

CrossPurposes · 12/11/2025 09:36

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 09:20

I'm thinking of that series called 'Butterflies' or similar, with Anna Friel, story of a trans identifying boy. And is/was Coronation Street BBC?

Both made for ITV. I'm sure a top forty for ITV could easily be made. ITV News for starters have had fawning interviews with the cyclist Bridges.

Floisme · 12/11/2025 09:36

Sonia Sodha writes for them too.

Editing to add that I’m afraid I now only read Sonia’s pieces. I bought the first edition of New World and couldn’t bear the patronising tone towards Brexit - and I voted remain.

dogtraveller · 12/11/2025 09:33

And Matt Kelly, who is also a sex realist.

BendoftheBeginning · 12/11/2025 09:24

WorriedMutha · 12/11/2025 08:04

I am about to go and see the Rest is Politics Live and have read the New World article. I know he's dismissed this as right wing bigotry before. He's painted himself into a corner on this and as the juggernaut turns, he is getting caught out. I subscribe to the New World/European and I'm watching their take on this shit. There were 38 comments under Alastair's article, all from the same echo chamber. I don't need another echo chamber in my life. They've got until my June renewal date to educate themselves or I'm moving on.

The New World/European also employs Matthew d’Aconda, who is sex realist (and has written/edited for both right and left wing media outlets). I suspect meetings between Campbell and d’Aconda are interesting right now!

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 09:20

RoyalCorgi · 12/11/2025 09:17

This tweet from Ripx4nutmeg dates back to 2019 - the BBC has been captured for a very long time:

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1169238794312265729

I'm thinking of that series called 'Butterflies' or similar, with Anna Friel, story of a trans identifying boy. And is/was Coronation Street BBC?

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CaminoPlanner · 12/11/2025 09:19

DuchessofReality · 11/11/2025 22:25

Depressing list. However I don’t think the BBC are to blame for the composition of University Challenge teams, I think the Universities/Colleges can pick who they like. And I agree with that. And I wouldn’t have a problem with an all-transwomen team if that was who the University thought would do best.

Um, actually they do. DS was on a team that wasn't picked for the show because, they were told, they weren't quirky enough - they didn't shine through on screen.

They scope for personalities and talking points. Sometimes that might just be absolutely amazing knowledge. Sometimes it might be a uni you never heard of or a very old or young team. But there is selection and bias.

senua · 12/11/2025 09:08

Bluebootsgreenboots · 12/11/2025 08:11

How would Alistair know that the Beeb hadn’t been biased on the issue without investigating? If you only see what you see you don’t know what you don’t see (known knowns and unknown unknowns come to mind)

How would Alistair know that the Beeb hadn’t been biased on the issue without investigating?
He could try reading Michael Prescott's report.

BeKindWisely · 12/11/2025 09:03

Bluebootsgreenboots · 12/11/2025 08:11

How would Alistair know that the Beeb hadn’t been biased on the issue without investigating? If you only see what you see you don’t know what you don’t see (known knowns and unknown unknowns come to mind)

Excellent point!

Datun · 12/11/2025 08:55

Wow, I knew they were bad that's absolutely shocking.

No wonder it's come to a head.

You can't get away with that kind of hopelessly biased reporting indefinitely.

The sexual nature of the entire issue is very obvious, too.

This man dresses as a baby girl and wears nappies. He goes into local primary schools to 'teach children about autism' and tries to have one-to-one sessions with them. Despite the obvious red flags, the BBC profiled and promoted him

A BBC presenter launched a project in which she distributed badges, saying 'Safe With Me', in schools, for children to wear in public places. The badges signify to any 'trans people' nearby that the child will escort them to a toilet

Ffs. You have live in a cave not to imagine how paedophiles will flock to a loophole that says kids can take you to the toilet, or you can be one-to-one with them while wearing a nappy.

And it's far too consistent, and far too prevalent, for one not to conclude that it's not ignorance, but depravity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/11/2025 08:38

WorriedMutha · 12/11/2025 08:04

I am about to go and see the Rest is Politics Live and have read the New World article. I know he's dismissed this as right wing bigotry before. He's painted himself into a corner on this and as the juggernaut turns, he is getting caught out. I subscribe to the New World/European and I'm watching their take on this shit. There were 38 comments under Alastair's article, all from the same echo chamber. I don't need another echo chamber in my life. They've got until my June renewal date to educate themselves or I'm moving on.

ISTR it was the New European who published that idiotic and defamatory article about GC court cases by misogynistic barrister and legal pundit Sam Fowles. They swiftly had to take it down.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/11/2025 08:38

Thanks for that - mind-boggling to see it all together.

Re University Challenge, the BBC doesn't pick the teams, but they employed a former competitor on the production team a few years back whose brief included working on trying to get the universities to put forward teams that were not all male. Very laudable, but he was a trans-identified male (Lillian Crawford) who believed that a team of four biological males was indeed more inclusive if one of them identified as a woman. He was very miffed indeed when his contract ended and was not renewed and disgusted at Amol Rajan's appointment as host because of some TERF-adjacent thing he'd done. Tainted by association! (I think Amol is doing a fantastic job on UC, btw.)

Last Monday Mastermind, Only Connect and University Challenge (on one after another) all featured a trans-identified male as a contestant. I don't know how contestants are selected for Mastermind or Only Connect. I would assume you have to qualify, as the UC teams do, so maybe the BBC is stuck with whoever comes forward and does well.

Radio 4 announced they had an all-female final for the first time in their long-running quiz show Brain of Brtain in 2022. Woman's Hour celebrated this and it was mentioned on various news programmes. They didn't, of course. One of the finalists was a trans-identified male. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4682395-r4-brain-of-britain-all-women-final

HagsRule · 12/11/2025 08:34

Wow that list is really stark and when you click and follow all the links and videos you can really see it for what it is.

The fact that they didn't report much about the paedophile Stephen Ireland is shocking. But then, it's the same up in Scotland as the government funded lobby LGBTQ Youth Scotland had a paedophile as it's CEO and no formal investigation was done when he was found out and convicted. Hardly anything in the news about it.

I'd also add Strictly come dancing; that's as mainstream as you can get, prime time Saturday and Sunday night. Last Christmas a drag queen won the Christmas special and this year they have a drag queen on it. He seems nice enough in the vox pops but it enrages me when Tess and/or Claudia refer to him as "she".

Edited for spelling

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