Man who transitioned to female sues expert for discrimination after being told breastfeeding was delusional

Maybe they believe it is? I suspect most do not, anyway it's always selfish & deeply wrong.

I'm bi (only date women though) and I'd like to have kids with another woman. I've been doing a lot of research & yes, I've read of this happening.

There is a whole conversation that needs to happen about poor practices like this. Another one is reciprocal IVF, which I wish were fine, but has been shown this year to be more dangerous to both mother & baby. The IVF clinics present it as very safe, of course.

It's sensitive as lesbians have of course historically faced homophobia about being selfish for raising kids in a lesbian relationship, using IVF/sperm banks (anonymous sperm is bad imo but equally so for straight couples). But a conversation cam be had that isn't homophobic but criticises unethical choices.

'i don't notice any issues in Brighton'

Can we just reflect on this.

If all data is recorded for gender not sex, then every bit of research that does this is fundamentally flawed and won't pick up any significant differences between males and females. This is a massive problem if we are talking about healthcare or crime...

@SoftBalletShoes

You have wandered onto a train that has almost reached its destination. The halt you have alighted from is a small backwater that gets its news once a month by carrier pigeon.

The women here are on the last leg of the journey, we've been on this train for years. Consuming information daily, often hourly, and sometimes by the minute.

I urge you to listen to them.

These things are real, they are happening. The BBC have a view, the NHS have a view, the courts in Australia are about to get a view.

This is not underground, this is not just happening somewhere else or on the outer corners of the Internet.

Even since your first post, you seem to have gone through several stations, in rapid succession.

Please stay on the train.

Read everything you can, and get on board.

(Helleofabore will provide you with all the links. And if you don't like them, she will have others. Kosher, irrefutable, sound).

I'm going to add the men who piss all over the seat, that I have to clean up before I can sit down. Disgusting. I'm not talking about trans people here, just men that I had the misfortune to follow into the mixed-sex toilets. (Two of these were on trains, which is nothing new, but it illustrates why I don't want yet more men in women's loos.)

And before someone says, Oh well what about the women who hover? I've never been faced with so much piss on the seat from women as I have from men. Is it carelessness? Laziness in not putting the seat up? Or are they marking their territory? (I asked DH and he says it's pretty common in the men's.)

I see your problem; it's HE, not she.

“meaning that they might be leaving out important counter-points, and you wouldn't know.”

It is natural to be wary of information sources. As I say, many of us fact check links when we read them. And if there is no evidence, then sometimes you also have to judge if there is a logical base to what you have read, if you know what I mean.

For example, as you say, there is no evidence that the secretions of male people are harmless or harmful - because they have not been adequately tested! So why is this behaviour being encouraged in that case?

good luck

However, I also want to add that perhaps your position is actually not that different from people on this board when you start to robustly interrogate your position and what supports that position

This is very true.

Thank you! Also for the rec about Sex Matters being evidence-based and unemotional. It can be very hard these days to know what things are posted in good faith and what just has an agenda, meaning that they might be leaving out important counter-points, and you wouldn't know.

Except they are taken seriously and have far more influence than they should.

https://adulthumanfemale.info

You might find this an interesting video to watch when you can. This video was prevented to be shown at Edinburgh University three times by mostly male people who are extreme transgender activists* blocking women's entry and intimidating women.

I recommend that you watch it and see for yourself.

*those who demand that gender identity is prioritised over sex when sex matters, not those people advocating for the needs of transgender people when those needs don't harm women and children.

@Helleofabore I will read the Sian Berry link. Thank you. I looked at the Brighton Centre story and I think the activists are utterly appalling. I've always thought that about the activists. I don't think they are acting in good faith. I don't think they care about women OR about transpeople. They just want to cause upset. They're anarchists, not activists.

ahh.. that was posted way back in 2018. You might find that there is a huge amount of links in that thread and they may not all work anymore. However, it is likely that they have been archive on archive.is.

There is a link from that article at the time in any case.

http://archive.today/Y1CvL

I recommend that you take the time to read anything from Sex Matters. It takes a pro-woman stance but they take the time to evidence what they publish and tend to take an unemotional view.

Many on this thread and on this board have accumulated the knowledge over years of reading.

Again, just ask when you see links that you are not sure on.

Galactorrhea in male people used to just be an indication of pituitary tumours and other cancers.

Look up the galactorrhea in male people and see what results you get. Then tell us that this substance is exactly the same composition to female breastmilk that has been tailored to needs of that specific infant through the interaction of the mother and infant.

This link womanmeanssomething.com/targetstudy/ is broken and redirects to a weird website. It's one of the first ones on the Resources thread that you linked for me. Worth noting I'm accessing this from the USA. Does it show up as something called foodinloveid for you too?

I was just giving my first impressions of the links having clicked on a few. Yes, I can look up counter-arguments, of course. And I agree that the Beeb and Guardian are not neutral sources. I included Sex Matters as biased when I saw its purpose, but I would need to spend time reading to see if it has any balance, to be fair.

Maybe you should read the thread and the links posted.

That sounds like a tough time for you.

However, you might also want to read about Sian Berry's reaction too.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5425390-sian-berry-the-attack-on-fila-conference?page=1

Just following on from your comment about 'neutrality', Sian Berry is certainly not supporting women who were having an international conference about the very wide range of issues women and girls face today.

It is a liquid produced by a male body after taking several different drugs including testosterone suppressant and a lactation stimulant that is known to cause heart problems.

In what way do you think that is safe or nutritional for a baby? Bearing in mind the super strict rules and requirements women who breastfeed have to adhere to?

Where is the harm in reading information from what you consider 'biased' or 'dodgy' sites and then fact checking yourself? Or asking here for an alternative source?

If left wing media has been avoiding this topic, why would you then dismiss media who DO cover it and then do what we all do and fact check it all. Hence why so many of us have deep knowledge about the topics covered on this board.

By the way, which sites are you calling a 'dodgy' websites? And which sites are you calling 'biased'?

Are you finding it hard to access the archive.is site links? They are provided to get around both paywalls, or to post an unmodified article or page. However, sometimes archive sites will not work.

Just ask about the links that you find problematic. However, it really is coming across like you have some pretty entrenched prejudices in media.

Yeah. It would be nice to have more info from 'neutral' sources. But WTAF constitutes a 'neutral' source considering the BBC and the Guardians woeful track record on these topics?

I hear that you are saying and there are a lot of aspects of this issue that challenge many of our comfortable views of the risks.

One is the issue of ‘outliers’ as an explanation of some things.

We are used to the fact that in every topic we can find extreme and shocking examples of things, anomalies or rare occasions where something has gone badly wrong. But in those situations it is generally the case that something has indeed gone wrong and it will either be rectified or things changed to prevent them from happening again.

For example, the problem with a lack of traceability of convictions for school staff that occurred with Ian Huntley instigated the introduction of the then CRB checks, now DBS.

The difference nowadays is that the very institutions built to protect us have rules and policies in place that deliberately ignore safeguarding and knowingly allow harm to be done to women and children.

For example, the men able to sexually assault women imprisoned with them, or girls at school made to feel uncomfortable to being forced to change in front of boys. The NHS transplant patient put onto a general ward with no infection control which nearly killed get because of the NHS policy of putting men who identify as women either in a side room or a female ward instead of in a male ward.

Once you realise that these horrendous things are knowingly and deliberately being inflicted on us it changes everything.

But you’re a mother. It’s the biological norm for you to BF.

I bet you’d think differently of your baby’s dad if he told you he was excited to BF.

This is an absolutely excellent point

Or for not breastfeeding, even.

This is disgraceful, what a revolting creep. That poor woman, a volunteer too, devoting her life to mums and babies and gets dragged through all this nonsense

Bloody hell, yes, I totally missed that. I was in the area on that date, but going through complete hell clearing out my late father's house full of sixty years' crap, getting everything ready in time for exchange about a week after that date. And organising shipping to my adopted country, etc. It was a truly awful time and I didn't look at the local news. Nor did I have a TV, since it had already gone. I might have seen it if I'd still had a TV there to be on in the background. Am going to read it now. Thank you.

Would you be OK with fathers generally putting their nipples in a baby's mouth for no nutritional benefit?

Or does the posession of a trans gender identity magically make this dubious activity OK?