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J.K Rowling's Position

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middler · 05/10/2025 21:20

I am not a regular on these boards but I am aware of the controversy over J K Rowling's position as I have encountered so many young people who have become very hostile with me if I do not show that I do not go along with them in their views that she is the equivalent of a racist in her attitude towards racists. I try and stay neutral and not declare my views but that is not enough for them. They want tos ee you express the same vitriol that they have so they can be assured you are on the same side. I find it so anti democratic frankly.

Privately I was relieved with the British ruling that means trans women who may well still have a penis and all the bad actors who could then take full advantage of a law that allowed transwomen into women only spaces, are not allowed to access those women spaces. I appreciate that most transwomen just want to go about leading their daily lives identifying as women and using women spaces is part of that and they have no ill intent. But many do not have bottom surgery and so yes they still have a penis as do the men who can just wake up one day and say they identify as a woman and start using those women only spaces and not have good intent? What am I missing? Why don't the younger generation see this and get that it is a huge risk to women? Do they think that there will be no bad actors? I just do not get it. The law is not to punish transwomen. It's to protect women.

I am not without sympathy for transwomen who genuinely feel uncomfortable going into male spaces. I appreciate that they identify as female but I just feel it's a conflict of rights and that you cannot sacrifice the right of women to feel safe in a women only space so that the smaller % of transwomen do not feel uncomfortable. Safety trumps comfort.

I personally would not react to a transwoman being in a female toilet but then I am aware how do I know it is a genuine transwoman and not a bad actor so I appreciate other women not being comfortable.
Maybe we need additional gender neutral toilets in this day and age.

But when this topic comes up with many younger people I can tell that the fact that I do not join in with the hatred for JK Rowling, that it puts me in the pro JK Rowling camp and I do agree with her support of ensuring that law got passed.

I am not so sure about the comments she made about kids not being trans as I think some kids as teens do seem to think they are in the wrong gender, maybe not in the large numbers that we are seeing today but clearly some people do feel they were born in the wrong gender and as a society I think we do have to support them without sacrificing the rights of an other group.

Rowling has never expressed hate for transpeople as far as I am aware. I do think she can be provocative in how she expressed her views and that is her choice but I just do not understand how the younger generation claim she is the equivalent of a racist but with trans rights? The language they use about her is so strong and I really try to avoid conversations about her because it has become so divisive- it is hard to find a millennial who does not agree with Emma Watson's viewpoint.

I am not 100% up to date with all Rowling has said but what has she said that is so bad that the younger generation have such deep hatred for her? I am just trying to understand it better and be ready to respond to the vitriol I get from younger colleagues when it comes up as it does seem to.

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SinnerBoy · 10/10/2025 16:08

Howse

Howseitgoin · Yesterday 09:54

All she has to do is threaten to sue & they fold…

Yes well, they tend to do that, when a solicitor informs them that they can't win, as they've told an outright lie.

It seems that YOU'RE on fire!

Like a rain soaked mattress in a skip.

ThatBlackCat · 10/10/2025 15:27

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:47

Uh huh, a hooked nosed 'goblin' who controls alll the money….

Denial of reality is text book cultism.

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Uh huh, a hooked nosed 'goblin' who controls alll the money

If you associate that with being Jewish, you are telling on yourself and your antisemitism. An own goal from you.

Helleofabore · 10/10/2025 10:47

Here you are OP.

The group, 'Bash Back' (I kid you not), mentioned the fact that Rowling attended one of these events as reason enough to disrupt and try to stop this event going ahead.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/25532194.live-brighton-centre-vandalised-feminist-conference-begins/

Another one for @UnintentionalArcher too .

This is the feminist conference starting this weekend in Brighton. Filia is a conference that covers all issues that feminists around the world are working on

Live: Venue vandalised and protesters demonstrate at feminist conference

The Brighton Centre has been vandalised as a feminist conference begins there today.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/25532194.live-brighton-centre-vandalised-feminist-conference-begins/

Helleofabore · 10/10/2025 07:54

GaIadriel · 09/10/2025 19:50

That crazy. It's only like 5% isn't it?

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It is a combination of things.

Many other lagers are 3 or 4 %. Fosters in the UK is/was less than 3.5 % if I remember rightly and was one of the best selling lagers. Many bitters are also around 4-4.5%.

Being a lager also means it is chilled and there are some people who will drink chilled beer faster in warmer weather compared to a bitter.

Then there is being out in a group can also mean people will drink more because they will be keeping up with rounds. Or if it was a corporate event, staff could drink more because they were not paying. Plus if it was an hot day will increase intake and then amplify the effect of alcohol. All those sorts of things.

I remember organising work events at various places and some places refused to sell lagers of 5% ABV.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 09/10/2025 20:34

GaIadriel · 09/10/2025 19:50

That crazy. It's only like 5% isn't it?

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It's the quantity they drink that causes the aggression.

Stella drinkers seem to drink loads of it.

GaIadriel · 09/10/2025 19:50

Helleofabore · 09/10/2025 14:34

The beer itself is nick named ‘wife beater’ and has been for years due to its high alcohol content.

There was a time some venues and caterers refused to serve it.

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That crazy. It's only like 5% isn't it?

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 09/10/2025 16:04

Men still getting very cross in here that women say they won't take their clothes off on command?

Yeah, still rolling on I see.

Helleofabore · 09/10/2025 14:34

GaIadriel · 09/10/2025 14:23

Well, Stella drinkers are called 'wife beaters' tbf.

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The beer itself is nick named ‘wife beater’ and has been for years due to its high alcohol content.

There was a time some venues and caterers refused to serve it.

GaIadriel · 09/10/2025 14:23

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Well, Stella drinkers are called 'wife beaters' tbf.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2025 14:21

Waitwhat23 · 09/10/2025 13:02

Indeed. And it's quite a blast from the past - that was a popular sneer at women in what, 2017 or so?

And it wasn't even particularly witty or clever then, frankly.

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Yes, it’s always silly little men on Reddit who think they’re hilarious.

BundleBoogie · 09/10/2025 13:46

Helleofabore · 09/10/2025 12:51

It is not private. It is very well known and it is very misogynistic.

Well done though on retaining your misogynistic posting streak. Every day is a new demonstration.

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Quite.

I hope OPs @middler s question has been thoroughly answered.

Partly by the sterling efforts of howse to dig out all the batshit nonsense ‘arguments’ wheeled out by trans activists over the years so she can see the full effect and rightly wonder how on earth so many people have been brainwashed to such an extent that they genuinely believe they are in the right and effectively women deserve no rights separate from men.

JKR stands up for women’s rights. If you think that takes away from trans people then you acknowledge the clash that must be addressed. And not by just forcing women to accept men wherever they want to be.

BundleBoogie · 09/10/2025 13:36

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:14

Have another prosecco mate, you're on fire! 🔥

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I can’t drink alcohol due to menopause related reaction but thanks.

Your posts have given me lots of laughs today though.

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 13:13

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Waitwhat23 · 09/10/2025 13:02

Helleofabore · 09/10/2025 12:51

It is not private. It is very well known and it is very misogynistic.

Well done though on retaining your misogynistic posting streak. Every day is a new demonstration.

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Indeed. And it's quite a blast from the past - that was a popular sneer at women in what, 2017 or so?

And it wasn't even particularly witty or clever then, frankly.

Waitwhat23 · 09/10/2025 13:00

GaIadriel · 09/10/2025 12:08

You do realise that the vast majority of violence is actually suffered by men, right? 70% of homicide victims last time I checked. The usual response is that it's other men doing the killing. However, wouldn't that be victim blaming to suggest that the murder victim is somehow culpable for sharing the same sex as their attacker? I doubt it makes much difference to the family of a black man shot by the police to know that his killer was also male.

And regarding DV, the vast majority of data actually shows that there isn't much of a gap between the sexes of in terms of perpetration rates. The main difference is that women tend to receive worse injuries which is unsurprising given the vast difference in physical strength. This has been done to death on here so I'm happy to cut and paste the links from another thread although I'm conscious of not wanting to derail the discussion.

It's not a case of 'siding with the poor men'. It's more about realising that most people don't actually want a war of the sexes. Oddly, it's mainly educated western women that seem to love playing the victim card when in reality their privilege is second only to their husbands, whose salaries they also benefit from despite complaining that said men get paid more.

It's fair to discuss the areas where we're disadvantaged compared to men but the problem is that a lot of people don't want to look at both sides. Like, there are a lot of women that only work part time and have loads of free time in the day whilst their partners work long hours and shoulder all the mental load that comes with sole financial responsibility.

A lot of women don't ever really return to a serious career after having kids and if you try and mention this they get really pissy and start talking about the mental load of writing xmas cards and using the washing machine lol. Like my sister. She drops the kids at school and then goes to yoga or the gym. Her husband Is contracted to do a 10 hour day but as an engineer he has to stay until the work is finished so he's often doing 12-13 hour days and then driving an hour back from the jobsite. She still believes all the stuff about men having it easy, even as she swans off to her yoga class at 10am on a Tuesday.

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Men's violence against other men is women's issue, why? I think we've got enough to focus on to be frank with all the violence meted against us! It's women's job to sort it all out and do feminism in a way that benefits men - pretty sure that's in the rules of misogyny....

As for 'most women don't return to a serious career after having kids', that's laughable bullshite mate. Textbook incel 'women live life on easy mode' vibes with the added insinuation that women use their husband's as a cash cow.

Helleofabore · 09/10/2025 12:51

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It is not private. It is very well known and it is very misogynistic.

Well done though on retaining your misogynistic posting streak. Every day is a new demonstration.

spannasaurus · 09/10/2025 12:46

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Old hat

spannasaurus · 09/10/2025 12:46

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 09/10/2025 12:34

Do you think women only drink prosecco?! This is the second thread where you’ve fired off this shit line.

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No but it means he can use the very, very old and tired attempt at an insult by using the phrase prosecco stormfront.

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:44

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TheKeatingFive · 09/10/2025 12:40

It's misogyny all the way down with @Howseitgoin

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 09/10/2025 12:34

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:14

Have another prosecco mate, you're on fire! 🔥

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Do you think women only drink prosecco?! This is the second thread where you’ve fired off this shit line.

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:14

BundleBoogie · 09/10/2025 12:11

Again, you are the one calling Jewish people hook nosed goblins that control all the money. Not JKR.

Denial of reality is text book cultism.

Oh dear pal, I’m not the one denying reality. You are making inferences about intent on the part of JKR.

You argue against reality and the importance of biological sex. I’ve got millennia worth of fact on my side.

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Have another prosecco mate, you're on fire! 🔥

BundleBoogie · 09/10/2025 12:11

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:47

Uh huh, a hooked nosed 'goblin' who controls alll the money….

Denial of reality is text book cultism.

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Again, you are the one calling Jewish people hook nosed goblins that control all the money. Not JKR.

Denial of reality is text book cultism.

Oh dear pal, I’m not the one denying reality. You are making inferences about intent on the part of JKR.

You argue against reality and the importance of biological sex. I’ve got millennia worth of fact on my side.

GaIadriel · 09/10/2025 12:08

Waitwhat23 · 09/10/2025 00:58

Across the world, across history, during times of war, women are subject to rape and brutalisation as systematic weapon of war. There's too many examples for me to even to begin to list.

Despite a very small number of men being the victims of domestic abuse, the VAST majority of those experiencing domestic violence are women, with a known starting point being when women are pregnant or just after having given birth.

Men who are family annihilators are often described as being 'a lovely family man who just snapped'.

Rape survivors are routinely humiliated in court. A recent case had voice recordings of the perpetrator outright admitting what he had done and it still wasn't a unanimous verdict from the jury.

I could go on giving examples from across the world through the night and I wouldn't even scratch the surface.

There is an epidemic of VAWG across the world. Do I really have to explain on a feminism board that women face abuse and violence from men?

And as for the whole Trojan horse nonsense, you do get that there are women actually affected by the 'trans stuff'? That self ID policies actually led to an independent review finding that ERCC had 'harmed rape survivors'? That women in Scotland have actually been locked up with male rapists following Government policy? I mean, women aren't even included in the Scottish Hate Crime Bill, because who gives a fuck, right?

And (i know, you haven't bothered to read the thread) but there's been plenty of examples of women being harmed and it being handwaved away, systematically, by institutions designed to serve us.

And many of us have men in our lives who we love and trust. But we actually give a shit about other women, who don't have safe, trustworthy men or women who have violence done against them in the street, in hospitals, prisons etc etc etc

But 'the poor men', right.

I fucking despair

You do realise that the vast majority of violence is actually suffered by men, right? 70% of homicide victims last time I checked. The usual response is that it's other men doing the killing. However, wouldn't that be victim blaming to suggest that the murder victim is somehow culpable for sharing the same sex as their attacker? I doubt it makes much difference to the family of a black man shot by the police to know that his killer was also male.

And regarding DV, the vast majority of data actually shows that there isn't much of a gap between the sexes of in terms of perpetration rates. The main difference is that women tend to receive worse injuries which is unsurprising given the vast difference in physical strength. This has been done to death on here so I'm happy to cut and paste the links from another thread although I'm conscious of not wanting to derail the discussion.

It's not a case of 'siding with the poor men'. It's more about realising that most people don't actually want a war of the sexes. Oddly, it's mainly educated western women that seem to love playing the victim card when in reality their privilege is second only to their husbands, whose salaries they also benefit from despite complaining that said men get paid more.

It's fair to discuss the areas where we're disadvantaged compared to men but the problem is that a lot of people don't want to look at both sides. Like, there are a lot of women that only work part time and have loads of free time in the day whilst their partners work long hours and shoulder all the mental load that comes with sole financial responsibility.

A lot of women don't ever really return to a serious career after having kids and if you try and mention this they get really pissy and start talking about the mental load of writing xmas cards and using the washing machine lol. Like my sister. She drops the kids at school and then goes to yoga or the gym. Her husband Is contracted to do a 10 hour day but as an engineer he has to stay until the work is finished so he's often doing 12-13 hour days and then driving an hour back from the jobsite. She still believes all the stuff about men having it easy, even as she swans off to her yoga class at 10am on a Tuesday.