Gender incongruence in surgeon who amputated legs

Bloody hell. If that isn't a psychiatric disorder I don't know what is.

That’s enough internet for today

Some men are just so weird. I do not understand at all. Thank heavens for the boring old normality of my DH.

I don't believe he actually has dysphoria or deep distress about either issue. I think it's sexually motivated rather than motivated by distress.

There needs to be an investigation into the surgeons who removed his legs. Because they can’t have not known there was something dodgy about the injuries that wasn’t in keeping with sepsis. They must have known it was self inflicted and there must have been signs it was dry ice or such an injury. But no one said anything.

Agree. If you genuinely had dysphoria how on earth would you find yourself working in an area where most of your job involved working with the body part on others that you are dysphoric about yourself?! He presumably either always had this weird fetish and deliberately specialised in this area because of it, or somehow developed it because of the area he worked in.

I don't know much about how and why fetishes develop but there should be more research on it, or more education for the public if the knowledge is already there, as there are so many of these creepy fuckers out there inserting themselves into what for most people are everyday situations because for them they are sexual.

There's an element of sadism; the woman who had her varicose veins removed with inadequate or possibly no anaesthetic, the eunuch maker videos he was such a fan of.

Absolutely. Decades ago a friend's then injured his genitals and she had to take him to hospital. He said it was the result of an accident with his zipper. But the consultant took her to one side and said the injury had to have been self inflicted - it was inconsistent with his story.

The hospital checked with his GP and he did have previous mental health issues. Now that was a long time ago and a far less serious episode but still they were onto it straight away. No way they didn't have suspicions about this surgeon.

"No way they didn't have suspicions about this surgeon".
As @Abhannmor points out, there must have been countless NHS staff who saw inappropriate behaviour yet ignored? denied? failed to exercise professional curiosity about it.

There's a massive problem with the culture of the NHS. It's played out in maternity services. It's played out in repeated child abuse reviews where medics are seen to have dismissed repeated non accidental injuries. It's played out in countless scandals where predatory or incompetent / dangerous medics have caused harm with whistleblowers being ignored.

Yet we are only meant to praise the "angels" and ignore the repeated dangers and scandals which allows men like Hopper to thrive and abuse the system (and it's feared, patients).

(I know this will feel unfair to the countless hard working ethical staff but until this culture of keeping quiet is effectively addressed, the Hopper's of the medical profession will continue to thrive)

a friend's then partner

He was of a status that couldn't be challenged.

There's big issues with consultants being untouchable gods - not helped by hospitals desperately trying to keep waiting lists down at all costs.

Put a consultant on sick/suspension and all the hospital stats go to shit and you get hell from all his (unfortunately this is a male problem) well connected mates.

A nurse or junior doctor doesn't want to be a whistle blower because they know how badly the NHS treats them.

Exactly @MrsOvertonsWindow . Hopper's status as a surgeon and specialist in that field surely swayed them? Besides , doesn't sepsis normally occur as a result of some other, usually long-standing, problem? Often some very serious illness. It's not like strep throat or a dodgy knee ffs. He was a fairly young otherwise healthy man.

The doctors only deal with the problem in front of them at the time. They saw damaged feet that needed sorting out and once sorted moved on to the next patient. At that time, no criminal offence had been committed.

There's that male surgeon (tw Marcie...?) who castrated Jennings. Iirc he talked about porn when conducting a physical examination of the poor child. In a jokey way, but still!😨He's made a good, financially and status, career of it.

Yes exactly

The Guardian article is terrifying (and very well written imo). They make it carefully clear that part of the fetish/pornography was arousal due to pain, other people’s or their own. No wonder past patients who had pain are kicking off.

Part of the problem is a kind of innocence. You’d need I think a board of quite experienced psychiatrists and surgeons to investigate the clinical cases together.

I do wonder if the conversion legislation could somehow be used to prosecute the people on these message boards who aim to normalise this utterly extreme shit.

Figures I occasionally bring up, which I haven’t updated since 2017: over 13000 people in men’s prisons for sexual crimes, and 125 people in female prisons for sexual crimes. ‘Women do it too’ is absolutely and always deliberately disingenuous.

Figures I occasionally bring up, which I haven’t updated since 2017: over 13000 people in men’s prisons for sexual crimes, and 125 people in female prisons for sexual crimes. ‘Women do it too’ is absolutely and always deliberately disingenuous.

I suspect that the number of women who are in prison for committing a sexual crime who acted alone is a lot less than 125. Most were accomplices of men.

I don’t know. I agree it’s likely but it takes a lot of digging to find figures separated by the sex-based prison estate, though tbf they are available if you do dig. It must be said there are also a few women who commit sexual crimes as an enterprise with other women.

The figures being from 2017, a few of that 125 will have been male as well. Though not, for example, Sarah Jane Baker, who I think of in this context as they are another self castrator, who remained in male prisons throughout.

Once good thing about Marci Bowers is that he's quite open about the fact that blockers cause kids to be sterile and inorgasmic.

"On the effects of puberty blockers, Dr. Bowers said, "When you enter a field like this where there's not a lot of published data, not a lot of studies, the field is in its infancy, you see people sometimes selling protocols like puberty blockers in a dogmatic fashion, like, 'This is just what we do.'"
Dr. Bowers said once a child begins the transition process, it's nearly impossible to return to normal.
"You're going to go socially to school as a girl, and you've made this commitment. How do you back out of that?" Bowers said.
In response to Shrier asking Bowers what her stance was on puberty blockers, Dr. Bowers said, "This is typical of medicine. We zig and then we zag, and I think maybe we zigged a little too far to the left in some cases."
"I think there was naivete on the part of pediatric endocrinologists who were proponents of early (puberty) blockade thinking that just this magic can happen, that surgeons can do anything," Dr. Bowers said.
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"There are definitely people who are trying to keep out anyone who doesn't absolutely buy the party line that everything should be affirming, and that there's no room for dissent," Bowers said. "I think that's a mistake."
"Affirmative care" urges doctors to support patients that believe they are trapped in the wrong body, including young children. It's the idea that the patient knows best. In the past, psychologists treated gender dysphoria with "watchful waiting." This method of psychotherapy sought to understand the root cause of a child's gender dysphoria, attempting to help a child grow comfortable in their own bodies before allowing them to transition.
According to Shrier, Bowers said puberty blockers result in the lack of sexual stimulation, referred to as puberty blockade.
"If you've never had an orgasm pre-surgery, and then your puberty's blocked, it's very difficult to achieve that afterwards," Bowers said. "I consider that a big problem, actually. It's kind of an overlooked problem that in our 'informed consent' of children undergoing puberty blockers, we've in some respects overlooked that a little bit."
"I'm not a fan of blockade... I really am not," Bowers told Shrier. "The idea all sounded good in the very beginning. Believe me, we're doing some magnificent surgeries on these kids, and they're so determined, and I'm so proud of so many of them and their parents. They've been great. But honestly, I can't sit here and tell you that they have better — or even as good — results. They're not as functional. I worry about their reproductive rights later. I worry about their sexual health later and ability to find intimacy."
"My fear about these young children who never experience orgasm prior to undergoing surgery are going to reach adulthood and try to find intimacy and realize they don't know how to respond sexually," Dr. Bowers added.
https://thepostmillennial.com/doctor-jazz-jennings-not-as-functional

My God! Honesty. It’s startling.