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Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?

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Krakinou · 21/08/2025 23:09

This is a feminist forum. It’s in the name. I’m a feminist, therefore logically atheist and frankly anti-religion. Certainly against any kind of religious nationalism (Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.)

But surely feminism is about liberation for all women, not just the ones we agree with? The destruction of patriarchal structures, not of women and children who are conditioned by them?

I constantly see snarky comments in GC articles about Gaza and dehumanizing comments about Palestinians and Muslims generally on this board. And minimizing of the suffering of the tens of thousands of people being murdered in an internationally recognized genocide. I don’t get it. It seems out of sync with the general mumsnet feeling too - I get the impression most people on mumsnet are pretty horrified by Israel’s actions.

Does anyone else get the same impression? If so, what is the connection between being Gender Critical and being anti-Palestine? Is it just that the leftist terfs aren’t so represented here?

I’m in a feminist group in Spain and it doesn’t have the same issue at all.

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ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 13:06

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:56

You do realise who & what Storm Front is right? 🤪

Of course, which is why your attempt to weaponise it with crap wine when women say stuff you don't like is about the... 15th most laughable thing you've said.

You do need to do a lot better to top your personal bests. Prefixing posts with "um" and "you do realise" doesn't even register, that's been boring and overdone for at least ten years.

SionnachRuadh · 09/10/2025 12:57

If we're to get back to antisemitism, there's a famous speech Heinrich Himmler gave to SS officers about why the Holocaust had to be kept a secret - I'm paraphrasing, but it went like "as soon as we admit we're doing this, we'll have all the decent respectable Germans on our case, and they'll all have one decent Jew, all the others are stinkers but you have to save this one... so we'll do what we have to do in secret and future generations will thank us for it."

(Because I know I'll be taken out of context, let me clarify here that I do not agree with Heinrich Himmler)

My point is that any antisemite who isn't quite as hardcore as Himmler will always have a handful of Good Jews who represent virtue, as opposed to those awful Zionists. Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein often fill these roles, though I find both of them more sympathetic than their fanboys.

Why, Jeremy Corbyn couldn't have a case to answer because he's big mates with Tony Greenstein, and Tony is a You Know What.

Let's look at the Jewish population of Israel:

  • The majority are Mizrahi Jews who are culturally Middle Eastern, and who live in Israel because their families were expelled from Iraq, Morocco, Egypt etc.
  • Most of the rest are Ashkenazi Jews who live in Israel because their familes fled pogroms in Eastern Europe, or who were refugees after the actual Shoah.
  • There's a significant minority of Beta Israel, who are Black Jews who live in Israel because they fled famine in Ethiopia.

All these groups, according to Howie, are exemplars of white settler colonialism and should be wiped off the map and sent back to their ancestral countries to await the next pogrom.

But wait a minute! There are good Jews, and these are Jennifer Pritzker and George Soros, and we can identify antisemitism precisely by whether people disagree with activities of Pritzker and Soros that have nothing to do with their ethnic identity.

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:56

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:51

TheProseccoStormFront is a fantastic username...

You do realise who & what Storm Front is right? 🤪

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:54

miraxxx · 09/10/2025 12:44

Very typical of leftoid morons who mainstream the worst kind of antisemitism to focus on symbolic antisemitism while giving not a fuck about living jews. JKR has been been very clear on where she stands on anti-semitism and called it out when you lot were fangirling over Corbyn. In fact she has been criticised by TRAs and leftoid mouth breathers for not being vocally pro-palestine and in fact being a zionist. You cannot have it both ways.

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Um, you do realise far right white Christian nationalists only support Israel because they are religious fundamentalists that believe the second coming can only be achieved if 'all the jews return to Israel' where they will 'need' to meet their end'? Oh wait….

Anti semitism & pro Zionism aren't mutually exclusive. Zionism is a means to a antisemitic whacky end for non Jews.

Yes JKR did participate in Corbyn's lynching didn't she? He wasn't making the right loyalty to Israel noises apparently …

miraxxx · 09/10/2025 12:52

Btw, I am unabashedly zionist and pro-Israel because of my feminist beliefs, unadulterated by cultural relativism and white guilt. It was not in Israel that they discovered a yazidi slave girl last year.

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:51

TheProseccoStormFront is a fantastic username...

lechiffre55 · 09/10/2025 12:50

@Howseitgoin
Oh & they don't call you all The Prosecco Storm Front for nothing

Two things: 1 LOL :) 2 Who is "they"?

ArabellaScott · 09/10/2025 12:48

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/10/2025 12:40

There’s a lot of them about.

Aye, knobs abound. Could add it to death and taxes.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/10/2025 12:46

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:41

As opposed to only showing up on threads to intimidate opposing views?

Seriously, why are you even here? Do you even know what a discussion forum is for?

Oh & they don't call you all The Prosecco Storm Front for nothing, I mean staggering into threads legless blabbering 'men in dresses womp womp' is hardly sober analysis.

Does what you write make sense to you?! Do you have a single opinion that you haven’t lifted from someone else?

When you say ‘they’ you clearly mean you, or should we be really worried about a whole army of ‘they/them’ misogynists who have us under surveillance from their parent’s basements?

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:44

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:41

As opposed to only showing up on threads to intimidate opposing views?

Seriously, why are you even here? Do you even know what a discussion forum is for?

Oh & they don't call you all The Prosecco Storm Front for nothing, I mean staggering into threads legless blabbering 'men in dresses womp womp' is hardly sober analysis.

Calm down, dear, I didn't report you.

miraxxx · 09/10/2025 12:44

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:09

Don't ever mention JKR's antisemitism in front of her simps…

https://x.com/esjesjesj/status/1975244633723879783

Very typical of leftoid morons who mainstream the worst kind of antisemitism to focus on symbolic antisemitism while giving not a fuck about living jews. JKR has been been very clear on where she stands on anti-semitism and called it out when you lot were fangirling over Corbyn. In fact she has been criticised by TRAs and leftoid mouth breathers for not being vocally pro-palestine and in fact being a zionist. You cannot have it both ways.

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:41

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:27

How dare you insult me like that. As if I'd ever drink prosecco.

Repeating your mad posts with some added emphasis isn't actually a rebuttal of their madness, but it's a change of scene from DOG WHISTLE and randomly posting irrelevant links from Wikipedia. By this point, we're just counting it as a win when you change the record a bit.

As opposed to only showing up on threads to intimidate opposing views?

Seriously, why are you even here? Do you even know what a discussion forum is for?

Oh & they don't call you all The Prosecco Storm Front for nothing, I mean staggering into threads legless blabbering 'men in dresses womp womp' is hardly sober analysis.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/10/2025 12:40

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:33

I had a boss once who thought all women drank prosecco and always bought it for us when we were out. He was such a knob.

There’s a lot of them about.

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:33

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/10/2025 12:32

Exactly, right-wingers don’t drink Prosecco, he doesn’t know anything!

I had a boss once who thought all women drank prosecco and always bought it for us when we were out. He was such a knob.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/10/2025 12:32

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 12:29

It’s the one who washes his socks and empties the bin Full of tissues.

😂😂

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/10/2025 12:32

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:27

How dare you insult me like that. As if I'd ever drink prosecco.

Repeating your mad posts with some added emphasis isn't actually a rebuttal of their madness, but it's a change of scene from DOG WHISTLE and randomly posting irrelevant links from Wikipedia. By this point, we're just counting it as a win when you change the record a bit.

Exactly, right-wingers don’t drink Prosecco, he doesn’t know anything!

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 12:29

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:28

How would he know which of his parents is his mum?

It’s the one who washes his socks and empties the bin Full of tissues.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/10/2025 12:29

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:19

With pleasure. First post on the page with my settings, you at 30/09, 13.55. Unroll the quote history for the crap about Glinner.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5419031-jk-on-emma-watson?page=38

He just demonstrates how much hatred he has for women whom he can’t control, he has a total disregard for the personal safety of a woman because she’s wealthy, and the implication is that if she didn’t state biological facts that gives men like him hurty feelz she wouldn’t get the threats in the first place.

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:28

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 12:10

It’s cos his mum cutted his pear up wrong innit?

How would he know which of his parents is his mum?

ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:27

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How dare you insult me like that. As if I'd ever drink prosecco.

Repeating your mad posts with some added emphasis isn't actually a rebuttal of their madness, but it's a change of scene from DOG WHISTLE and randomly posting irrelevant links from Wikipedia. By this point, we're just counting it as a win when you change the record a bit.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/10/2025 12:23

SionnachRuadh · 09/10/2025 12:17

Sometimes I think this is the equivalent of when your 15yo DS tells you about this amazing band he's discovered called "Pink Floyd".

Definitely this, 😂 or when they tell you about this great new song they’ve heard, and you tell them it’s a remix of a song from when you were young, they look at you like you were never young!

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:22

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ThatCyanCat · 09/10/2025 12:19

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 12:03

Post the the link…🤡

With pleasure. First post on the page with my settings, you at 30/09, 13.55. Unroll the quote history for the crap about Glinner.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5419031-jk-on-emma-watson?page=38

SionnachRuadh · 09/10/2025 12:17

Sometimes I think this is the equivalent of when your 15yo DS tells you about this amazing band he's discovered called "Pink Floyd".

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 12:10

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/10/2025 12:03

He has a real issue with being able to separate fact from opinion, the links he posts are hilarious and typical of someone who is deeply entrenched in this insidious ideology. In a nutshell, if you say anything that is outside of his narrow view, that necessarily means that you are a vicious hateful bigot, and you therefore MUST support everything else that he’s been told is bad. It is such a childish and juvenile attitude to have, but again, it’s how this ideology survives, manipulating people into believing things that aren’t true.

It’s cos his mum cutted his pear up wrong innit?