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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:55

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:46

What logic? The death threats are clear, overt and well documented and police have been involved and security measures tightened because some are credible and there has been a conviction. There's no doubt they exist. There's no need for logical extension to find the offence. It's pretty criminal that so few have been followed up but I expect there are just so many and they're mostly hard to trace. Only in your world is a tweet about people being smelly somehow equivalent.

Are you seriously telling us this phenomenon isn't real because Glinner has a defence against his charges and there's been no verdict yet? This is pigeon chess with the Queen of Hearts (sentence first, verdict afterwards!) except she was actually entertaining.

Seriously, you are comparing the safety of a BILLIONAIRE to an average person?

She's a billionaire. She has the resources to protect herself.

On line bullying is a known suicide risk factor in young people. Trivialising a grown man's relentless harassment of a minor that no doubt incited further mob harassment should give any normal person pause unless of course they are in a cult.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 13:55

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 30/09/2025 13:52

So you believe all truths should be spoken no matter the harm caused?

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FFS, JKR and her family had DEATH THREATS! And EWs actions fanned the flames that made that happen.

Damn right EW should have to put up with a little discomfort. She did F all to call off the mob.

And importantly then made a big song and dance about how she is such good fweeeends with JKR and loooves and treaaasures her

Horsie · 30/09/2025 13:58

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 13:38

You kindly allow the author a lot of room for "Ooop I mis-spoke and said the exact opposite to what actually happened".

The slight of hand is being used to claim that transpeople (the men) suddenly cant use the public toilets that transpeople (the women) have been expected to use for years

Re. your second paragraph, I'm sorry but I'm finding the way you express yourself pretty confusing.

What sleight of hand? And, you're saying that people are saying that transwomen (I take it that's what you mean by transpeople the men) suddenly can't use male toilets? I really don't mean to wind you up, but I can't make head or tail of your second para.

Gloriia · 30/09/2025 13:58

'But where does it end? Do you think trans people will just dissappear? '

Not one person has suggested they disappear. Even JK herself has stated people should be able to dress as they like, but we won't say a man is a woman that is all <or a woman can be a man>.

So it ends when men say they want to dress as women and that's it. No competing as women, no using women's facilities. Just pretending to themselves and not expecting others to be complicit.

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:58

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:55

Seriously, you are comparing the safety of a BILLIONAIRE to an average person?

She's a billionaire. She has the resources to protect herself.

On line bullying is a known suicide risk factor in young people. Trivialising a grown man's relentless harassment of a minor that no doubt incited further mob harassment should give any normal person pause unless of course they are in a cult.

Here, here. I'm afraid though, @Howseitgoin, that the cultish indoctrination of the the cult members here is at such an extreme that they have lost all sense of common sense and rationality.
The words of JKR are practically deified edicts to these people.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 14:00

Gloriia · 30/09/2025 13:58

'But where does it end? Do you think trans people will just dissappear? '

Not one person has suggested they disappear. Even JK herself has stated people should be able to dress as they like, but we won't say a man is a woman that is all <or a woman can be a man>.

So it ends when men say they want to dress as women and that's it. No competing as women, no using women's facilities. Just pretending to themselves and not expecting others to be complicit.

Yes, this is pretty fucking basic. Wear what you like, call yourself whatever you want and you're still not a woman so stay out of our single sex spaces.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 14:00

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:58

Here, here. I'm afraid though, @Howseitgoin, that the cultish indoctrination of the the cult members here is at such an extreme that they have lost all sense of common sense and rationality.
The words of JKR are practically deified edicts to these people.

Yup, it's just so MAGA….

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 14:01

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 14:00

Yup, it's just so MAGA….

🤣🤣🤣

you’re a hoot

WinterTrees · 30/09/2025 14:01

'Robustly challenged' isn't being met with disbelief you are a real person, disbelief you are British, disbelief you are a woman, disbelief you are a feminist, disbelief you regularly use mumsnet, laughing emojis, sarcastic comments, constantly being quoted but just to make snide comments rather than real engagement.. so that your notifications and email inbox fill up with hostility.

I have no knowledge of email inboxes 'filling up with hostility' - I've been on MN for over 20 years and my inbox is filled with nothing more than dust and cobwebs, so I confess to finding that surprising.

I'd suggest that where the other things you list occur they're a consequence of the relentless sameness of the bad faith arguments new posters present here, and often post for screenshots and vanish without engagement. (All of those things are relevant questions on some threads.) Sarcastic comments and a derision are understandable responses to these - it's a huge forum with many thousands of posters - but pretty much always there are posters who take the time to address the points made or challenge by asking for evidence. Which I'd say is what has happened on this thread.

Greyskybluesky · 30/09/2025 14:02

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:58

Here, here. I'm afraid though, @Howseitgoin, that the cultish indoctrination of the the cult members here is at such an extreme that they have lost all sense of common sense and rationality.
The words of JKR are practically deified edicts to these people.

It's "hear, hear".

I wouldn't normally be a language pedant but your amateur sarcasm and pathetic little digs at others are getting on my nerves.

GailBlancheViola · 30/09/2025 14:02

No one EVER changed their mind about anything due to being aggressively attacked.

JKR has been agressively and virulently attacked for years by TRAs and their allies, signs calling for her death have been openly and brazenly paraded at events and the people carrying them have not so much as had a word in their ear from the Police about it.

Not once has Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe or Rupert Grint publicly condemened or called out those doing that, in fact on the contrary they stood back and smirked whilst the mob unleashed their threats on JKR.

There is absolutely nothing in JKR's response to Emma Watson's comments about her on the podcast that is remotely aggressive. It was a measured, direct response.

No-one on here has aggressively attacked Emma Watson either - I see no calls for EW to be raped, beaten or murdered, do you?

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 14:03

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:49

Stand up and be counted in my opposition to the wild expression of transphobia displayed on this and many other similar threads.

These are the outrageous views of a radicalised minority (profoundly out of touch with anything related to justice or reality) and there are women - mumsnetters - like me who will continue to challenge this by speaking out for what is right and what is true.

Wild expressions 🤣🤣🤣

Any quote of these "wild expressions"?

Crazy women with wild expressions and outrageous views 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Thia thread is so 🍿🍿🍿

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 14:04

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 14:01

🤣🤣🤣

you’re a hoot

They never manage to go very long without defaulting to US mode, do they? I wouldn't mind but some of them are British!

nicepotoftea · 30/09/2025 14:05

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:43

I'm not crying victim. I am pointing out a real issue with these spaces on mumsnet. It does become a cult like echo chamber.
And back to the topic I think 'statements' which are personal attacks like Rowlings add to this way of communicating.
No one EVER changed their mind about anything due to being aggressively attacked. They just become more entrenched. I think that has happened to Rowling who started off having reasonable well structured concerns and has now descended into obsession and anger, due to feeling she is under attack.
And now doing the same thing back which is only ever going to provoke the same response.
But where does it end? Do you think trans people will just dissappear? This just becomes more and more devisive. More personal, more emotional.
I don't think anyone should be hounded or cancelled for their opinions.. but this is wandering into the territory or harassment. It's really unsettling.

But where does it end?

  1. Universal recognition that sex exists and that women need sex specific rights
  2. Evidence based medical care of children

We have made huge leaps forward over the past 5 years, partly because of funding and publicity directly attributable to Rowling, but we still have some way to go.

Beowulfa · 30/09/2025 14:05

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:55

This kind of thing:

"Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out"

FFS the First Minister of Scotland refused to state that a convicted rapist, with cock and balls bulging through his pink leggings, was a man. If that isn't a sacred caste being protected at the highest level then I don't know what you think privilege is.

"Transphobia" stopped this violent male being sent to a women's prison. How many women would he have assaulted by now if JK Rowling hadn't used her status to publicise this wilful idiocy? All women owe her a debt, even the shallow thinkers who prioritise being kind over all else.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:05

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:55

Seriously, you are comparing the safety of a BILLIONAIRE to an average person?

She's a billionaire. She has the resources to protect herself.

On line bullying is a known suicide risk factor in young people. Trivialising a grown man's relentless harassment of a minor that no doubt incited further mob harassment should give any normal person pause unless of course they are in a cult.

Ooh, so you do accept she has been horribly abused and threatened, but you think it doesn't matter because she can afford security! Fucking self made women, keeping safe from violent perverted men, eh!

And you wang on about protections for young people online but don't think women deserve real life protections from men!

Interesting. Jolyon Foxkiller and Boy George are also men who don't like the fact that JKR is a woman with money who can protect herself, and REALLY hate the fact that she uses her money to protect women who can't.

By the way, she's not a billionaire. She gives too much of her fortune away.

This post is gold and you don't even realise why.

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:06

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 14:04

They never manage to go very long without defaulting to US mode, do they? I wouldn't mind but some of them are British!

Cultish, MAGA-like, behaviour is not restricted to the US. It's very much alive and well in this country.

Especially online, I hear.

GoldThumb · 30/09/2025 14:06

I don’t understand why people are not getting why JKR is upset with EW.

EW made her speech, and it blew up.
It was reported on widely, with people assuming it was a dig a JKR (Bar one).

If you were EW, and people were hi fiving you online for a ‘bar one’ comment, and using this to justifying abusing JKR, would you

a) State clearly for the record, ‘I didn’t say bar one’
b) say nothing and let people run with it, knowing they believed it
c) say nothing, and let people run with it, knowing they believed it, and also send a sly note to JKR saying ‘sorry for what you’re going through’.
d) c but with added please donate to mermaids links.

I’d be pissed as well. I think an interview a few years later hoping I still loved her, while she tried to love me, would tip me over the edge of ‘dignified silence’

She trying to run with both the hares and the hounds.

I don’t think JKR is calling her ungrateful, she’s calling her two faced

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 14:08

Gloriia · 30/09/2025 13:58

'But where does it end? Do you think trans people will just dissappear? '

Not one person has suggested they disappear. Even JK herself has stated people should be able to dress as they like, but we won't say a man is a woman that is all <or a woman can be a man>.

So it ends when men say they want to dress as women and that's it. No competing as women, no using women's facilities. Just pretending to themselves and not expecting others to be complicit.

This!

x1000

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 14:09

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:06

Cultish, MAGA-like, behaviour is not restricted to the US. It's very much alive and well in this country.

Especially online, I hear.

Hang on , feminists want to make America great again? I did NOT get this memo

I was brought up to feel faintly sorry for anyone not lucky enough to be British but I presume a quorum of Germaine Greer,Julie Bindel and Andrea Dworkin via a ouija board have signed off this new direction, so count me in!

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 14:10

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 13:43

I would love some posters to substantiate their claims but it never happens, so no debate.

But I am all ears ( thinking of @Tandora's claims about tape and murder, for example).

Bring the debate on!

...unsurprised by ongoing tumbleweed.....

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:10

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 14:10

...unsurprised by ongoing tumbleweed.....

...and the distinct lack of critical thinking...

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 14:11

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:06

Cultish, MAGA-like, behaviour is not restricted to the US. It's very much alive and well in this country.

Especially online, I hear.

And yet you nonetheless reached straight for a US analogy. Funny that.

lcakethereforeIam · 30/09/2025 14:11

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:10

...and the distinct lack of critical thinking...

Don't be so hard on yourself.

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:13

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 14:11

And yet you nonetheless reached straight for a US analogy. Funny that.

I haven't. Perhaps if you'd expanded the quote and read, and more problematically understood, the context, you'd know why I (re)used the term.

Do try to keep up.

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