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Teen drama misrepresents trans by making it edgy and cool (while of course GC people are the evil witches)

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mids2019 · 31/05/2025 07:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70zd31n2k0o

Really quite biased piece here relating to a drama which portrays a young trans teen as being edgy, cool and the epitomy of the rebellious teen with a plenty of a hardship narrative thrown in. Trans writer with no thought to women's' rights of the impact of puberty blockers. Quotes from GC campaigners threaded in to look cold and heartless in the language (middle class establishment against the new generation).

Oh and the lovely line from the author about the supreme court ruling 'we've got to rebel !' as if rebellion is somehow cool and the new protest movement instead of rebellion essentially meaning men rocking up in womens loos, safe spaces,sports etc.

Not great in my.opinion BBC.

Ellis Howard as Byron in What It Feels Like For A Girl, using a pay phone and smiling.

What It Feels Like For A Girl: Trans teen drama based on Paris Lees memoir pulls no punches

The coming-of-age BBC drama is a visceral look at working class life when you don't fit in.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70zd31n2k0o

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AliasGrace47 · 05/06/2025 23:51

GoldenGate · 05/06/2025 20:18

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5332897-bbc-series-i-kissed-a-boy-decision-homophobic-in-the-extreme-lgb-alliance

In case you missed that thread.

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Dreadful. I've noticed that lesbians are often too kind for their own good w letting Tims into their spaces, while gay men are generally & rightly much blunter w tifs, partly bc they face much less danger of violence if in person. But teen boys are much mpre vulnerable, so it's easier for the TRAs to gaslight them. Vile
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AliasGrace47 · 05/06/2025 01:34

GoldenGate · 04/06/2025 14:47

Shoved on BBC1 last night (2 episodes if 1 wasn't bad enough) the day after the equally offensive "Kissed" programme. Utter self pitying crap, portraying a lonely young man nothing to do with girls. Actually more like a young Autistic man close to me who similarly felt "everyone but me" was having a great time at that stage of life. (you'd be forgiven thinking gender is all part of Autism sometimes) Paris is often held up as the archetypal "passing" transwoman but he shows a darker side in common with so many men about women and girls.

What is the Kissed program and why is it offensive?

fromorbit · 04/06/2025 20:53

Strangely the series is not popular.

ripx4nutmeg

Despite a huge budget, mass marketing and 'must watch' reviews across the media, What It Feels Like For A Girl, a drama about a 15-year-old cross-dressing boy, is a ratings disaster with just 40,000 viewers for its first episode

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 04/06/2025 18:31

AliasGrace47 · 04/06/2025 17:46

Yes

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Interesting, thanks. Not that it excuses violent robbery, of course, but I think it’s important context to be aware of

AliasGrace47 · 04/06/2025 17:46

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 04/06/2025 16:15

I read a comment on a Graham Linehan blog which said the old man was buying sex from Paris when Paris was underage, is that true?

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Yes

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 04/06/2025 16:15

Greyskybluesky · 04/06/2025 15:10

Robbery

ETA: Should have been more specific, sorry. Robbery and assault of an elderly gay man

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I read a comment on a Graham Linehan blog which said the old man was buying sex from Paris when Paris was underage, is that true?

SinnerBoy · 04/06/2025 15:32

I wonder why the Beeb and Graun are cosying up to and lionising a violent OAP mugger?

LittleBitofBread · 04/06/2025 15:26

Thanks all. Interestingly, I did a quick Google of this before I asked on here, and could only find glancing mentions to a robbery in his youth. None of the horrid detail of battering and death.

Greyskybluesky · 04/06/2025 15:24

Edgy n cool

MoistVonL · 04/06/2025 15:15

LittleBitofBread · 04/06/2025 14:54

What was Paris Lees' crime?

Robbery and battering the old man with a golf club which led to his death.

It’s not a young caper gone wrong, it’s violent crime.

Greyskybluesky · 04/06/2025 15:10

LittleBitofBread · 04/06/2025 14:54

What was Paris Lees' crime?

Robbery

ETA: Should have been more specific, sorry. Robbery and assault of an elderly gay man

LittleBitofBread · 04/06/2025 14:54

What was Paris Lees' crime?

GoldenGate · 04/06/2025 14:47

Shoved on BBC1 last night (2 episodes if 1 wasn't bad enough) the day after the equally offensive "Kissed" programme. Utter self pitying crap, portraying a lonely young man nothing to do with girls. Actually more like a young Autistic man close to me who similarly felt "everyone but me" was having a great time at that stage of life. (you'd be forgiven thinking gender is all part of Autism sometimes) Paris is often held up as the archetypal "passing" transwoman but he shows a darker side in common with so many men about women and girls.

AliasGrace47 · 02/06/2025 15:19

I don't have an automatic issue w the BBC adapting this book. Portraying the story should not mean condoning the transition. The issue is that that is exactly what the coverage on it has done. I wish the series would hint how Lees' abusive background led them to mistakenly transition, but pigs will fly before that happens.

Plasticwaste · 31/05/2025 15:06

I seem to remember Emma 'Mermaids Donater' Watson being interviewed by this criminal for some magazine, and gushing in appreciation when he handed her a copy of his book. She was grinning inanely the whole time and he probably couldn't believe his luck he was dealing with such a vacuous moron.

Iamnotalemming · 31/05/2025 14:55

Oh and also the bit about needing to rebel against the SC decision. So continuing to access single sex spaces. Argh.

Iamnotalemming · 31/05/2025 14:52

zanahoria · 31/05/2025 08:38

"Given the court's ruling, even the title of the drama is divisive. Some will take issue with it as it is inspired by the autobiography of the same name from trans writer, journalist and trans rights campaigner Paris Lees. And that's because they believe that Lees isn't a woman - and that the Supreme Court judgement supports them"

Is anyone taking issue with it? Maybe a few eye rolls but what Paris calls herself is not the issue. The issue is that campaigners like Paris have been trying to force others to recognise that identity and make it more important than biological sex.

Paris can call herself a woman a girl or whatever I am certainly not taking issue with it but am very happy the Supreme court judgement recognizes that under the equality act that Paris is not a woman and that women are not being forced to recognise her identity.

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I came on to see if there was a thread about the BBC article. It's an incoherent mess like a PP said. I was particularly irritated with this sentence:
"And that's because they believe that Lees isn't a woman - and that the Supreme Court judgement supports them"
I appreciate that GC views are protected beliefs BUT they are also based in actual facts and biology. It's like saying scientists believe that greenhouse gas emissions are leading to global warming. Not a belief, a proven fact.

TheCatsTongue · 31/05/2025 14:00

HappyNewTaxYear · 31/05/2025 13:54

Just why is the BBC so captured though?

Because under their charter they have to make sure that everyone is represented and basically quotas are filled.

It's why programmes like this and Drag Race exist because it allows the BBC to fill their quotas in a couple of programmes.

It's better to have "representation" in these programmes instead of the current trend of the BBC to include trans people in every other programme, like the news where they just happen to find an elderly trans person on the street to give an opinion.

HappyNewTaxYear · 31/05/2025 13:54

Just why is the BBC so captured though?

zanahoria · 31/05/2025 11:08

SunnieShine · 31/05/2025 09:24

But its not "cool" or "edgy", its old hat now, and starting to date.

I am not going to judge it before watching but Butterfly did not last well

It probably peaked more people than it persuaded

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mids2019 · 31/05/2025 10:18

It's trying to obfuscate the current court ruling by making 'a hard hitting term drama' that shows the world the type of oppressed young person the evil state is trying to stifle. There seems to be very bad misjudged aim to show the trans lobby as the force for good and GC people as the oppressive voice of older conservatism.

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Koalafan · 31/05/2025 09:26

It's never been cool or edgy imho.
It's often a cry for help from someone who is confused/scared/mentally ill/groomed.

SunnieShine · 31/05/2025 09:24

But its not "cool" or "edgy", its old hat now, and starting to date.

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