Today it's Amnesty Internation on Woman's Hour to discuss the Supreme Court judgment

I wonder if it's because the MRA's are now having to engage in logical conversations with people who are presenting facts to them and just saying "trans women are women" over and over doesn't cut it anymore.

Yes. He sounded uninformed about the whole thing which raises the question why didn't he send a representative from Amnesty who was well informed.

Thanks!

No, sorry, I just stuck it on here as we were discussing Amnesty!

To be clear - that's not the same guy who was on WH?!

https://www.laprovence.com/article/faits-divers-justice/53261601328542/un-ex-porte-parole-damnesty-international-condamne-pour-detention-d-images-pedopornographiques-a-eguilles

'Amnesty International's former spokesman convicted for distributing shocking child pornography. “Some of the child pornography was found on a USB stick belonging to Olivier Jacoulet — branded with ‘Amnesty International’, the human rights organisation.'

'Before serving as an Amnesty International humanitarian, this spreader of child pornography enjoyed a career as a BBC World Service journalist. He posted photos of his press cards on his blog: https://leblogdejac.webador.fr'

https://x.com/HillelNeuer/status/1930715989437767776

It was so unimpressive. It's not just that he was wrong, he was wrong it such an unimpressive way. It was really surprising for someone in charge of such an important charity.

I thought I’d report back - a brief chat yesterday - my neighbour (previously not particularly interested or engaged with gender issues) heard this on the weekend catch up. She brought this up unprompted. Her response to the segment can be summarised as “err no” (with widened eyes and a head shake for emphasis) and promptly cancelled her subscription to Amnesty!

I wonder how big the dip rate has been after that appearance?

TBF he was at Stonewall for a year in the very early 2000s when it was still a charity doing sterling work for the LGB community (as it was originally set up to do). He’d left very many years prior to Ruth Hunt’s about turn on the LGB and making it all about the T.

Kind of interesting how on this SC ruling WH has only interviewed women for the pro-woman side and only interviewed men for the anti-woman side.

And that all women interviewed have been so well-informed, eloquent and armed with facts and evidence. Not so much for the men.

Absolutely. Not to mention that self identifying into alternative racial categories is forbidden, but it’s acceptable to alienate people out of their actual racial category for wrongthink by terming your offender a ‘coconut’ or similar.

Although I note there are groups of people excluded from being allowed to do what they want or self-identify. It's all just class privilege, IMO.

Those on disability benefit 'they should be working' etc.

Middle-aged women. Generally invisible and whose unpaid labour is assumed.

Older people 'bigoted dinosaurs who need to catch up with other people's values'.

Working class people 'the economy would collapse if salaries increased in line with cost of living'.

The people who have time for identity navel gazing are always a) middle class (or higher) b)privileged and relatively wealthy and c) have no compunction at all EVER about unilaterally imposing their views people who are working class / more vulnerable.

Well, it goes to the heart of the basic questions about self more broadly, doesn’t it? Is being true to one’s self a question of doing what one wants and following one’s ‘passions’ and ‘feelings’ to their fullest extent (which I think has been the philosophical drift in the west generally, and has certainly been at the core of the trans movement)? Or is rather a matter of accepting what we are more objectively and trying to make a happy life based on that truth? Which is healthier, imo, but is not the dominant framework currently.

“Charities drift into their growth. They drift into a culture often. They drift into that culture being very negative. And then I think there’s a lot of stasis,” he says.

Says the ex-Stonewall guy. Well, he should know; they wrote the book on mission drift.

In fact, it is worse than that. He misrepresented things. Very confidently creating a narrative.

Gosh, he’s full of it. A career in various org’s ‘patter’ making apparently right noises, but only sounds plausible when isn’t examined too closely. Or at all really, in the case of this interview.

She needs to understand that trying to fool or coerce everyone into thinking you are the sex you aren't is the exact opposite of being true to yourself.

Well, it appears that this Sacha Deshmukh chappie who is now at Amnesty International used to work at Stonewall. If this is the pro men’s entitlements (irrespective of the cost to women) chappie from the link below. These chaps’ chappies who promulgate this anti scientific ideology do seem to be on the merry go round from one org to another.

https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/sacha-deshmukh-charities-drift-negative-cultures/management/article/1862610

I recently put c) to a friend of mine who works in HE and has accepted the TRA position on all this by default, as part of the general academic left wing political opinion package. She thought for a moment and said ‘Well there was no option to transition when they were young’. ‘No’, I said, ‘there wasn’t — the question is, why are they not transitioning now, in numbers that are at least to some degree proportionate to the numbers of teenage girls who seek to transition?’ She thought again. ‘Perhaps they don’t want to anymore.’ ‘Ok, so in that case, perhaps it’s good they didn’t in the first place given that now they have fully working reproductive systems and don’t require lifelong medical intervention?’ She got upset and said it was awful they weren’t being true to themselves. Tbh it felt like a hopeless conversation.

All so depressing. But then AI’s stance on prostitution equally depressing and equally misogynistic.

And when he came out with crap like, ' well we need proper safeguarding in place.'
Does he not realise single sex spaces ARE a safeguarding measure? Are all these men too dim to realise that?

I wish she had pointed that out to him and asked him EXACTLY what alternative safeguarding he thinks will just as effectively replace it - both in terms of physical and mental safeguarding for women (such as avoiding inducing flashback and trauma in victims of male violence).

Only just heard that interview. Oh my God it was dreadful! Really thick, incoherent, inconsistent, deliberately vague, utter jumbled thinking nonsense.

Maybe we could ask nicely for a new programme on R4. Cis Woman's Hour? As long as we promise to be kind...

And

a) how did all the late transitioners we now see (‘oddly’ almost all male) survive to their 50s and 60s before getting access to hormones and surgery?
And

b) why do there appear to be no suicides linked with ‘trans’ by kids prior to the 2000s?
and bonus question

c) where are the equivalent numbers of female late transitioners that correspond in proportion with the huge current cohort of young girls?