AIBU to think that if someone appears on mainstream media MN should not delete the discussion

Why delete the whole thread???

Surely delete anything that veered into the personal?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4361005-Robin-Moira-White-on-Womans-Hour-Now-Tuesday-28-9

Sounds like he's learned nothing since his previous WH appearance in 2021. Same old tired arguments, now rejected by the SC.

He was on the fecking radio.
No one could see him.
We could all hear his deep manly voice as he said he was entitled to Our spaces contrary to a Supreme Court Decision clarifying existing law.
Which he misrepresented.

Yes, and how little normal women have in comparison.

Vulnerable minority they are not.

I posted on that thread earlier and was shocked to have seen it taken down. Late this morning I do not remember any personal comments about appearance. Why couldn't the individual posts that crossed the line be deleted? How disappointing.

As someone who did something worthy of getting internet reviews over a 20 year stretch. I can confirm that I certainly dont ever seek them out. I don’t read them myself but get someone to edit out the useful parts about every 5 years or so. I find it weird that someone would go on a mainstream BBC programme and then purposefully look somewhere the comments might not be entirely flattering in order to report them. Or be surprised when theres going to be criticism of poor representation of the law? Or put a detailed and highly personal account of transition - in your own name which isn’t necessary- on the internet for all to see and then complain when that context is brought up? Why seek attention in the first place? Cake. Eat it too.

@BeckyAMumsnet
I still don't fully understand why the entire thread was pulled. Why not just delete the offending posts? As far as I could see most posters were not using insults.

I’m angry that valuable comments are lost amongst those deemed too personal or whatever.

Do women really have time to write everything out twice? Some of us are also unwell/ disabled so it’s doubly frustrating when trying to read and sometimes comment.

Shows just how much power the likes of RMW have though doesn’t it.

Thanks for this @mnhq However, please define 'tipping into the personal' in this instance? Surely if the discussion is about TW and whether they pass or not, then there has to be an element of talking about that person's appearance, because it's relevant. I'm just not seeing that a whole thread has to be deleted, surely deleting individual comments would be fairer, if indeed any of them meet the threshold of 'personal'.

Why on earth why the whole thread deleted though? Has Robin been wielding his barrister badge and threatening legal action?

It's gaslighting to pretend and to try to force others to pretend - as so many men do - that women can't immediately recognise sex. As indeed can other mammals such as dogs.

This is the heart of the issue, of the abuse being foisted upon women. Everyone knows that men are men. It's vanishingly rare for someone to 'pass' in person.

'Lived experience' doesn't seem to count when it's women's lived experience and perception of reality, somehow.

It’s excessive, stifling and frankly oppressive to delete an entire thread *BeckyAMumsnet *when individual comments could be deleted instead.

How disappointing.
I've only come on MN today to find a discussion on WH today.

RMW made a statement about having ‘outed’ himself so being able to talk about the law, whereas many trans people will be passing in their workplace and the change in policy forces them out.

It was clearly unnecessary to out RMW- RMW does not pass.

This statement and the conclusions that hang from it are a reasonable subject for discussion.

There is no need to make unpleasant personal attacks, but every need to identify that RMW does not in fact pass so the entire edifice crumbles.

So I guess it is forbidden to reveal that the reason some males like dressing as caricatures of females is because it is a fetish for them?

Perhaps we need a list of the points made in an interview than they can be explored one by one

This is relevant though because like most of these men he's completely failed to disguise himself as a woman. So it's obvious when he uses female spaces that he shouldn't be there. Whereas other female impersonators can sometimes, rarely, get away with it without being detected. Not that they should be there either.

YANBU. Making threats and having a thread deleted (as I assume is what happened), broadcasts that the person has no argument to the comments here. Like many others, I got the chance to read the thread before it went, and I took a screenshot of the screenshot (!), where the poor persecuted complainer told women on this site to “get back to their cauldrons”.

There were quite a lot of comments made about the person's appearance - as in how they look

The interviewee mentioned them- for people who don’t want to share with Trans people.

Surely if someone chooses to appear on main stream media, they expect people to discuss their appearance (appearance used to refer to the spot on the radio/TV, not what they look like).

As it happens I was driven to google someone appearing on woman’s hour today, after a comment they made about being publicly ’out’. It was clear that they didn’t need to publicly ’out’ themselves at all.

And if that’s who the deleted thread was about, then it’s imperative we are allowed to discuss it because it was an appalling misrepresentation of the law. I’m holding hope that WH will be having other guests who represent the situation more appropriately.

And the interviewer never mentioned third spaces, which is the obvious solution. I ended up turning the radio off before I threw it at the wall.

YANBU. Some people like to control women and shut them up. Whilst gracing the air waves with their particular brand of Men's Rights Activism.

Really it says it all that a male bodied person gets on Women's Hour to talk about eroding women's rights whilst we're not even allowed to chat. Oppression of the female voice is what it is.

I was screaming at the radio at all the 'oh it undermines transwomen's dignity' WHAT ABOUT WOMEN'S DIGNITY? Of course this is never asked, we're apparently a resource to be exploited at will.