Trans people ‘excluded in heart of democracy’ after Holyrood toilet rule change

Absolutely this. All day long.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5331048-scottish-parliament-new-rules-on-toilet-access

Existing thread

'Excluded' apart from the toilets they can use but don't want to. Babies.

It's not about 'just wanting to pee'. They can, there's facilities available. They just aren't getting exactly what they want.

They want validation and to use women. They answer is no, so they lie and throw a tantrum.

They need to grow the fuck up.

As ever, Helen Joyce nails it. We're lucky to have her speaking out. I'm memorising that for future reference.

Exactly. In order to be truly inclusive it may be necessary to be exclusive.

Women can only be truly included if we exclude men from certain spaces

Love that Barbie! The word inclusion makes me suspicious these days but that reframing helps

I think it was Helen Joyce who said (I wrote it down because it made perfect sense to me)

'Being inclusive means there's a space for everyone NOT that everyone should be in the same space'

But we all know that this isn't what is actually wanted and that it's the takeover of women only spaces and the use of the women in it that's the goal

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.

It’s like a child having a tantrum in the supermarket when told they can’t have something. Best to ignore till they realise they are not in charge.

Just for anyone who hasn't seen it, the then head of Scottish Trans said this about self id in prisons and directly influenced the policy of placing violent male sex offenders in the female prison estate -

‘We strategized – we strategized – that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise’.

Equality Network and Scottish Trans have both fought for years for the allowance for single sex services and spaces to be removed entirely from the EQA2010. They have also advised the Scottish Government for years as the law as they wished it to be, not as it was -

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2022/11/17/women-sex-and-the-equality-network-lifting-the-fig-leaf/

Given how much public funding is handed to both groups by the Scottish Government, what should be happening is a public inquiry as to the misuse of this money.

Yes. Single sex are available as well as individual mixed sex cubicles, specifically set up so that nobody is left without a space to use.

But apparently this isn’t enough. Men pretending to be the opposite sex won’t be able to engage unless they can use women’s toilets, even though additional arrangements have been set up just for them in case they are uncomfortable with their own sex.

As always, I hope THIS is the overreach that finally gets the whole nonsense these petulant men are demanding thrown out. As always before, I will probably be disappointed.

Isn't Holyrood busily installing new gender neutral toilets which will be available imminently? I'm sure I read that very recently?