Cisgender lesbian forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man

I'm.also sure this happened in Stratford Westfield around Covid times. Again to a woman with short hair.

So wait…

apple is trying to persuade other posters of the tsunami of masculine women being kicked out of the ladies by reposting the one article multiple times

you must know thats not gonna work….i mean i don’t usually read your posts as they all sound the same, i thought that was a me thing

turns out its a you thing

I bet you £100 most people can tell as soon as they see your friends walk accross a room. The walk always gives it away no matter how much you've tried to hide your sex.

What are we supposed to say? It is the fault of those who have campaigned for men to be allowed in women's spaces that this happens more now, not us on here.

I spent years getting mistaken for a bloke at work. Do you know how much it bothered me?

Not at all. As soon as I corrected someone we would continue with our day.

And for the umpteenth time men cleaning toilets use a sign that says 'man cleaning toilets' on it, And I've had a male cleaner quite happily leave until the space is empty before now. Plus the majority have no issue with transmen as they are women.

If those transmen have taken drugs and had surgery that changes their appearance so much they cause women in single sex spaces to be alarmed then again what's that got to do with the women on here? Those transmen may feel happier if they use multi sex toilets.

Last year a dad accused one of our staff members of being a man. She's an Asian woman with PCOS.

And the problem is solved now?

"Cis" Pink News, WTF OP?

But now there will still be transmen in women's toilets?

I was responding to a post that said we will need IDs.
The suggestion is ridiculous, my point exactly. 🤭

No such thing as cisgender. There are men and women and all lesbians are women. This problem was caused by men in disguise illegally invading women's private spaces. That is where the fault lies.

@ChessorBuckaroo so how do you know they’re transwomen? If no one can tell… how do you know? And the fact you know kind of makes it clear that people can tell.

Is it a massive issue? Can't she just say, no I'm a woman? It's usually very obvious at that point from speaking voice, and every other cue.

And if that is unacceptable, what do you suggest is the answer?

Because I don't see that it is letting men into the women's toilets.

What did butch lesbians in the 70s do? How on earth did they manage?

So the sound of two people having sex in a loo in an upmarket hotel alerted other women to a problem. One of the people in the loo sounds and looks rather like a man to anyone not paying much attention. A guest calls security under the impression there's a man in the loo and a possible sexual assault underway. The security guard on duty bangs on the door and escorts them out and doesn't instantly clock that these are lesbians behaving very badly. And now this one incident is proof that there's no point in trying to keep men out of women's single-sex spaces? No, not buying that one.

Its impossible sometimes to tell the difference. Some are more obvious.

Agree with the gist of your post though. The two transwomen I know you wouldn't know they were not natural women. Absolutely no way are they going to be forced to use anything but the women's toilets.

Not deja vu:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5287698-lesbian-mistaken-for-trans-woman-in-womans-bathroom-in-arizona

Well… you see… the thing is….. if men hadn’t insisted on forcing their way into women’s spaces, it’d all be fine. Go shout at them. I mean, what happened before all this? It’s only since men decided women’s loos were nicer that women started getting questioned. Take it up with the men.

Oh thank god…i thought i was losing it

“People are remarkably accurate (approaching ceiling) at deciding whether faces are male or female, even when cues from hair style, makeup, and facial hair are minimised.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8474840/#:~:text=People%20are%20remarkably%20accurate%20(approaching,sex%20of%20faces%20are%20reported.

And that’s just their faces. Adding in height and other body signs, the success rate is around 99%, I believe.

The responses to this thread are really weak! The most anyone can say is ‘well it’s YOUR fault this happening!’

This highlights what is obviously wrong with the SC clarification and EHRC ‘guidance’: it’s impossible to enforce.

I am a femme woman but my wife who is a butch woman sometimes gets people questioning her gender or accidentally called ‘sir’ or ‘mister’, and I know it’s only a matter of time before she’s questioned when just trying to use the bathroom. I find that sad and scary.

It’s a massive issue and other than passing blame I haven’t seen it be addressed properly on here yet. If falls into the pile of things people on here would rather ignore, like male cleaners in toilets or the fact trans men dare to exist.

Did we need to before? No. So your post is just dishonestly catastrophising.

I mean, how on earth did we survive without having to ID people before some male people decided to non consensually use the female toilets?

Not just you, I thought this was an old thread brought back into active.

Not just me having deja vu then.

Didn't ChristinaApple post this exact story before, or am I misremembering?

Post a photo of those poor masculine looking women, I’m sure there must be at least one somewhere.

Of course not 🙄 Humans - particularly women - can sex other humans at a high degree of accuracy. Even babies can do it.