Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

[Christinapple]

https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

Hi Chris!

Better that a lesbian be slightly inconvenienced once than all women lose their female only single sex spaces to colonising men-with-gender.

HTH.

Perhaps if there weren't so many men invading women's spaces, people's suspicions would be less heightened.

Oh bless you Chris - you must look long and hard for these stories.

Now would you like to post about the number of women and girls attacked in women's toilets, by men.
I'll start - Katie Dalatowski.

Why is the fact the person is a lesbian relevant at all?

Women can tell, but men cannot always tell, the cops were men DUH

The police didnt enter the bathroom because they’re thought there was a gender non conforming woman in there - they entered because there had been a report of a male in there. As they should!

This. Men stay out, women go unquestioned.

Easy.

Never mind a woman getting questioned /doubted/challenged and accused of being a man, oh that's alright then. 🙄
If it hasn't happened to you good for you but you've got no clue.

So if a woman doesn't conform to so called gender norms, like sounds the case in this situation, she should be challenged?
Maybe we should all wear floaty dresses and grow our hair long or whatever to lessen our chances of being thought of as not a woman?
Bullshit is this a feminist board.

I wasn't looking for this, it just appeared on my timeline.

@TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown in an interview she described the encounter as "humiliating and distressing". I would imagine it would be more than "slightly inconvenienced" to be peeing and have 2 male cops knock on your door because you didn't look feminine enough for someone's liking.

Is it ok for male cops to enter the women's toilet based on what someone thought? Wouldn't it at least be better to send in female officers?

That still doesn't answer why her being a lesbian relevant? Are all women who look like men lesbians?

I just knew who would have started this thread before I opened it. Quelle surprise (not)

Surely this could equally well have happened in a parallel universe in which trans people are unknown?

Also, she looks and sounds like a woman to me.

Also, what kind of idiot thinks a transgender woman would get herself up like a butch lesbian?

@Christinapple is right that female officers would have done a better job. Women are better at correctly sexing people.

Woman does her best to look like a man, then gets upset when someone thinks she's a man.

I don't know why I'm bothering to post as I know how it'll go, but just mentioning that as a 5'11'' heavier woman with short hair who is usually wearing a hoodie and jeans, I've been spoken to on more occasions than I can recall by other women saying things to the effect of "this is the ladies". The last time was by a cleaner in a shopping centre toilets a few months back. I reply with "yes, I know..." and gesture at my boobs. I think my voice is feminine enough it usually gets the point across and they apologise. Good lord I'm just trying to go and have a pee in peace, it's not like I'm doing anything threatening in there.

The police responded to a report by a store employee who thought a man had entered, so I guess that person was unable "to tell". And posts on this thread are saying the police rightly responded to this report to enter.

Q- is it ok for male police to enter the women's bathroom based on someone thinking a man had entered, shouldn't they at least send in female officers?

Is it also bad if a man is "questioned /doubted/challenged and accused of being a man" because that would be bigotry?

If men all kept out of women's spaces, and none of us tried to "live as women", there would be no problem.

I'll take minor inconvenience and embarrassment over females being sexually assaulted all day long. Every decent person would. HTH

As a straight 58 year old woman who has been challenged since childhood about being a male in the ladies, all I can say is that she should get over it. It's not traumatic, maybe slightly embarrassing at worst, and well-worth it for the protection of women and girls in women's spaces.

But this has been going on for decades - women who don’t conform to gender stereotypes being read as men and being publicly humiliated like this. For example being told the women’s loos aren’t for them because they’re a man when in fact they’re a woman. Maybe a tall, broad woman with short spiky hair wearing joggers and a hoodie. I have a few mates who get this a lot when they’re out and about.

This is what’s wrong with the transgender movement in my eyes. It’s rolled back the notion of gender into a very polarised 1950s position.

I'm surprised this sort of thing makes any news outlet at all. Nothing of note happened, as far as I can tell.

A) a woman is queried in the toilets/changing rooms
B) a man stays unqueried in the toilets/changing rooms

Option A is the least worst option.